Michael Jackson The Flirt

Michael Jackson The Flirt

[EXPAND LaToya’s Autobiography on Mike as a teen ]

Back then, Michael was extremely outgoing, and a flirt too, probably from always being around older musicians. We’d pass a pretty girl, and my brother would remark, “Boy, did you see the pair of cakes on her!” Or he’d steal peeks under dresses, then ask me with a giggle, “Guess what color panties she has on?”

“Michael!” I was hardly shocked, we’d come to expect that kind of thing from him. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Bobby Taylor would use cute girls to get the boys to sing well in the studio, 1969 ]

Bobby Taylor, Mojo Magazine, 1969

His approach to recording the backing vocals, for which he used only Michael, Jermaine and Jackie, was quite different. “I was wondering how I was gonna get these little boys to do exactly what I needed ’em to do,” Taylor chuckles, “and then it hit me: Cutie-pie girls! So I used to hire girls to come into the studio and hang out, just sit around and watch. I know how guys are, and they’ll always give you their best if there’s a pretty girl they want to impress.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Sneaking A Feel Of A Girl Jermaine Brought Up To Their Hotel Room, Early 70s ]

“You Are Not Alone” by Jermaine Jackson

There were so many girls coming at me back then and my teenage self found the attention impossible to resist, but sneaking a girl by Bill Bray’s door, and knowing when Joseph was not around, was a skill in itself. Because it was also ‘forbidden’ it felt like a home run every time I managed to get a girl beyond checkpoints and beyond the threshold of the bedroom door. I had never been so grateful for exterior fire exits and back stairways. The awkward problem, of course, was sharing a room with Michael. What made this worse was that if he knew I was pursuing a certain girl, he’d deliberately attach himself to my hip. But once – one golden once – Michael was nowhere to be seen and I managed to sneak away from some hotel gathering to hook up with the prettiest of girls.

Back home, I had been seeing a lot of Hazel Gordy, but while we liked each other – and send endless love letters – puppy love had not advanced into anything serious, leaving me free to build my experience on the road. We older bothers had a way of describing how far we got with a girl: from ‘first base’ (the kiss) to ‘second base’ (touching/clothes off) to third base (the sex) and, in my hotel room, I was an LA Dodger running wild, eyes closed, on top of this girl, kissing and touching with a freedom I didn’t think possible. “That feels really good…” she said. I was getting serious, she was groaning. Third base was in sight. I had one hand stroking her face, and the other on the mattress beside her head.

“I love how you stroke my thighs,” she continued, “… you’re real gentle…” I’m not stroking your thighs, I thought. “It feels good,” she whispered. I peeked open my eyes and maneuvered my head to take a sly look down the bed, and that’s when I saw it – Michael’s arm, reaching up and over from underneath the bed, his hand circling her thigh.

“MICHAEL!” I jumped up, the poor girl was mortified and Michael, chuckling, was already scrambling for the door. I could have killed him, not only because he was hiding there the whole time, but because he heard me whispering all these sensual, sweet nothings that he would tease me with for weeks after. I refused to speak to him that night. When we turned out the lights and he wished me goodnight, I said nothing. He waited a few minutes in the dark and then brokered the peace. “She got some real creamy thighs!” he said. And we both burst out laughing. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael teasing reporter Robin Katz, 1972 ]

Michael Jackson flirt, Robin Katz

Robin Katz, Record Mirror, 25th November 1972

There were several times on the tour when Jermaine and Michael, in particular, would team up to do some very funny things so that I would have something to write about.

There was one meal that I was eating, and Michael came up behind me very quietly and just said, “How come whenever I see you, you always have something in your mouth?

I turned very red till I realised he was just pulling my leg. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael flirting with fans at a soundcheck, 1973 ]

Backbeat, Feb 1973 Oklahoma City

A sound check can be a fan’s delight, for it offers sights usually reserved for insiders, like a young Michael adjusting his microphone stand and cordially flirting with two of my blushing female classmates, who obviously found their way into this joint a lot easier than Minnie and I . [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael and Randy flirting with their MC, Jackson 5 concert, 1974 ]

Backstage whilst New York City was doing its thing, I had a chance to meet the Jackson 5. All five young men… ranging from 11 to 21 were as good looking as their press photos.

Michael and Randy, the youngest, were little charmers who look you in the eye smilingly to say you were their prettiest MC. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Geri Reischl, The Second Marcia Brady, 1974 ]

Geri: It was cool because when I was there we went across the street to the Sahara and that’s where Michael Jackson – the Jackson Five – were performing so I met Michael Jackson. And well, just during rehearsal, he asked me up on stage and he said, “Hey Geri” and I said, “Yeah…” and he said, “Let’s dance!” So I was dancing with Michael Jackson.

Sam: You danced with Michael Jackson! Wow!

Geri: I couldn’t believe I got to do that! It was amazing! [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal, 1977 ]

Susan Blond on Tatum O’Neal and Michael, March 1977

At the Rox her father Ryan flirted with me a little, so Tatum sat on Michael’s lap. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Janelle Commissiong ]

Janelle Commissiong,1978

“I traveled down on a plane with a beautiful woman I later learned was Miss Trinidad & Tobago and the Miss Universe winner,” Manning added. It was Janelle Penny Commissiong, the 1977 winner who won international acclaim for being the first Black to claim the title.

“Michael kissed her on the cheek, singing his newest song Got to Find Me A Girl.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Chrissy Clarke saw The Jackson Five at the Fiesta in 1977 or 1978 ]

“I met Michael Jackson at the Sheffield Fiesta – it was The Jackson Five – the place was packed. They were absolutely brilliant. They’d just performed Destiny. He was the most amazing dancer – he had this presence about him. He was 17 or 18 – my age. He smiled at me, I was on the front row and he came and sat with me. He kissed me and held my hand, he was just a really, really nice guy. He gave me a flower. I was just mute! The paparazzi hounded him completely. I think he was always trying to get approval from people – his fans did it for him when maybe his parents didn’t.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND ”Help me, Help me, I need some woman to touch me!” Michael pranking Todd Gray, photographer, sometime 1981 ]

One time I took pictures of him while he was in bed because he was late for a meeting I’d set up and wouldn’t get up. He was like, “Todd, I’m gonna get you for that!” And he did. I’d forgotten all about what happened while he was performing one night and he’d told me to stand in a specific spot to take photos of him when he began singing that song. I did as I was instructed. So right before I go to take my position, Michael drops to his back and starts saying, “Help me, help me! I need some woman to touch me!” and every woman in that place collapsed on me. I was between them and Michael and I couldn’t even get one shot in and he gave me this look like, I got you. Afterwards, I said you think you’re so cute, and he says, “What do you mean, Todd?” I’m like, Mike that hurt; those people were crushing me and all he said: “Todd, the spirit just takes me sometimes and the spirit just took me.” That’s when I knew that was payback and that was the last time I stepped out of line with him (Laughs.) [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Diana Ross, 1981 ]

Youtube video

Diana: I knew you were going to be a giant star, I really did. But what I didn’t know, but what I didn’t know is that you’d get so sexy.
MJ: You’re embarrassing me. But I always knew you would.
Diana: What?
MJ: Be sexy. Do you guys think she’s sexy? [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Diana Ross, Oscars, April 15th, 1991 ]

But all turned out fine. Michael, tit-for-tat, dandled Diana Ross on his lap before Madonna returned and joined him for a grand exit. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Kissing a fan, Triumph Tour, Jet Magazine, October 15 1981 ]

How Michael Jackson, sexy lead singer of the Jacksons, surprised a female fan who broke through a line of security guards at the Forum in LA to give him a gift while he was on stage singing a love song. Although Michael apparently wondered how she had managed to outmaneuver the security muscle men, he accepted the gift then pulled her into his arms and kissed her tenderly. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Karen Faye, on the photo shoot for the Thriller album cover 1982 ]


Faye said she was not at all intimidated by his fame. For example, when she saw that Jackson had with him a baby tiger, she flashed her tiger-print underwear.

“He went ‘Ah!'” Faye said while demonstrating how he covered his face. “He was just so embarrassed by that. But I think that’s why he called me back the next job. He liked people who have a sense of humor.”

Frank Cascio’s book on Michael and Karen:

“I called her by the nickname Michael had given her – Turkle. Michael loved Turkle and messed with her all the time. If she was wearing a zippered jacket, he’d try to unzip it. If she was wearing a skirt, he’d lift it up.”

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Make Up Artists and Costume Designers that have worked with him since the early 80s ]


ABC: Was Michael Jackson gay?
Karen Faye: Absolutely not.
ABC: I mean, you say that with conviction
KF: He would always, like, wherever we were, he would always kind of (mimicking him, slyly eyes around herself) – he called it fishing. He looked around for all the hot girls. And he’d – “Turkle, Turkle, that ones really hot. Ooh, look how -ugh- look how her hair just swirls!”
ABC: So you don’t think that was an act?
Bush: (shaking head) No.
KF: What? That he was doing it for me?
ABC: Yes
KF: No (shaking head) no, absolutely not.
ABC: Did he ever comment on young men?
KF and Bush: No, no.
ABC: So you don’t think he was just in hiding by his sexuality?
KF: No (all shake heads)
ABC: Is it possible that he was asexual, not so interested in sex?
KF: Well, um, I think he had fears about intimacy, from his childhood. I don’t think he really had great examples of how a relationship works.
Bush: With Michael, I think sex didn’t rule his life, it wasn’t his goal in life.
Bearden: I think he was married to his vocation.
ABC: Do you?
Bush: Yeah, I think that came first.
Bearden: He was in love with his music
ABC: He certainly played around with gender roles, tried to bend them.
KF: He didn’t see the barriers, as far as art goes. He didn’t see – why do women do this, why can men only do that? – but he was not gay. He just liked what was beautiful and perfect. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Ola Ray, Thriller video, October 1983 ]

“I met Jane Fonda at the studio while getting my makeup done and she asked me to take [Michael] a note and give him a kiss and a hug. When I told Michael about the kiss he said, ‘Well…!?’” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND In London At Showing of Starlight Express, March 27th, 1984 ]


During the interval Michael is taken to the hospitality room backstage where he is served soft drinks by a barmaid.

“He asked me what her name was,” says Nick, “and when she said ‘Caroline’ he sang ‘Sweet Caroline’ to her! I don’t think she’ll forget that in a hurry.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Flirting With Hookers On A Street Corner, Victory Tour, Kansas City, July 1984 ]
Jermaine Jackson, “You Are Not Alone”

We rode together as brothers en route to stadiums, but didn’t always share the same vehicle at others times because the Jehovah Witness elders took up two seats alongside Michael. Often, there was also Frank Dileo and photographer Harrison Funk. Growing entourages meant that it wasn’t always possible to travel together. But the following story was a funny memory of Michael’s that Harrison – whose friendship and less was trusted to roam freely with him for many years – has assisted with.

Their van had stopped at a set of traffic lights in Kansas City when Michael spotted three hookers on the street corner, with one wearing sequined hot pants. Michael’s eye couldn’t help but wander. “Oh my goodness, hurt me!” he said playfully – Jackson speak for, “Oh wow, she’s looking hot.” Then, just as the lights were about to change, he stuck his gloved hand out of the window and waved.

Three hookers did a double take, wondering if that was just… maybe… it can’t be… Michael Jackson? Just to make sure that they were certain, Michael opened the van door a little and, looking back as the van began to move away, he showed his face, chuckled and then slammed the door tight. He twisted around in his seat to watch three hookers jumping up and down in excitement. I don’t know what the two Jehovah Witnesses made of this interaction but it made Michael’s day and made one thing clear: he wasn’t always going to be squeaky clean. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Sherilyn Fenn, 1985 ]

While working at the Samuel Goldwyn Soundstage, Prince received a visit from Michael Jackson, whom he promptly challenged to a game of table tennis, using a table that had been set up in the middle of the sound stage room. “Michael said, ‘I don’t know how to play ping-pong!'” Rogers remembers. “But Prince took one pad and gave Michael the other, and they started very politely volleying the ball back and forth. Suddenly, Prince said, ‘C’mon, Michael, get into it,’ and he slammed the ball into Michael’s crotch. I was rolling my eyes!’ ‘Oh God, he’s embarressing himself.’ But Michael knows how to handle himself and he didn’t seem to care. Then Michael started flirting with Sherilyn Fenn who was visiting Prince in the studio. Prince was pacing, but he wasn’t going to get into the game of flirting back. They said their hasty goodbyes.'” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Helene Phillips, assistant choreographer Captain EO, 1985 ]

“I didn’t see anything freaky,” says Helene Philips, assistant choreographer on Captain EO. “No big ego. He was friendly and had a good time. I’d sit on his lap to discuss shots.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Marva King, 1987 ]

Then, I met Michael. One day I was invited to the studio and I met Michael. I was like, “Oh my God! I’m here with Michael Jackson!” and then my childhood thoughts and dreams just went through my head and Michael was admiring this beautiful waist top that I had. It had so many different panels of lace and he said, “It’s so beautiful!”

He kept walking around me, and I froze! I couldn’t even talk. I think I’m star struck! I did pretty good until I got to him, because I had a crush on him as a kid. Oh my goodness, I’m like, “Michael Jackson is admiring me!”

It’s so funny. We ended up getting to know each other. It took a while, because he had a lot of security and stuff, like, “What does she want?” and “Why is she really around?” You know, they watched me for a while. They studied me religiously, but then they learned, “Okay, she’s not so crazy and she doesn’t have any other motive, except she wants to work and she’s friends with Michael.”

Michael ended up taking to me, so I ended up becoming one of his playmates. We had too much fun! We were two young adults that were real childish, but we had so much fun! I would travel with him sometimes, and we would torture the press, we would hide and do things (laughs) and just have a lot of fun. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatiana Thumbtzen, 1987 ]

Michael Jackson and Tatiana Thumbtzen

That first morning, at that time mostly what the 2 did (she and MJ) would gaze at each other back and forth and just smiled & wave at each other the whole time. As she puts it, they just kept on repeating this silent, unscripted and unrehearsed scene over and over again. But it was Michael, who broke the ice and took it to another level.

TY: Though he did regularly gaze at me, I was in awe when I caught him looking at my butt. He just approached me and up close boldly studied my butt. Then he took a moment to look away for a second after he did that and it was as if he was thinking or as if he was somewhere else. Then after he took this little pause he just bluntly asked, ‘Were you a ballerina?’
TY: ‘Yes.’
MJ:’You wore pointy shoes and danced on your toes?’
TY: ‘Yes, I did.’

Michael began asking me questions about my life. A few times he was a little flirtatious, like when he told me I had an incredible walk. I said, “Well, it’s just a walk.” He looked at me and smiled. “No, you have a very sexy walk.”

By our fourth take, the heel of my boot was caught in the cars upholstery and Michael put his hand on my leg to help pull it out. It blew my mind that he had actually touched my leg, which I pulled away and began to tumble out of the car falling on my butt and hard too! Michael started laughing hysterically as Joe Pytka yelled, “Get up, keep it going, keep it going, and don’t stop.” As I did, Michael got out of the car and started wiping my butt off.

The fall caused a run in my stockings and the stylist wanted me to change. I started walking off the set and Michael asked, ”Where are you going?” I explained that she wanted me to change my stockings. He disapproved by saying. “No, I like it. I think the run is neat. It’s sexy.”

During a quick break from the scene, Michael pointed out two birds high above us perched on a ledge — they were making love. He said, “Look,” while pointing up. I became embarrassed and shy and I looked away blushing. Michael stood gazing at me with this sweet smirk on his face that was somehow naughty. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Background actress on the set of Moonwalker, 1988 ]

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Vanessa Williams, 87-89 sometime ]

Vanessa said that Michael had approached her at a party and flirted with her and asked her for her number. She had to tell him that she was married. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Beverly Johnson, OtW Magazine, 1989 ]

Snippet 1.

On July 8th, Motown threw a big party for Diana Ross in California to welcome her tour there which opened on July 4th. Though the party was for Diana, Michael Jackson ended up being the talk of the night when he turned up with his date for the evening, supermodel Beverly Johnson (who appears in Jackson’s Liberian Girl video). The LA Times reviewed the party – one quote said: “Michael never let Beverly’s hand go all-night. Could this be true love?” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Bachelor Pad, OtW Magazine, 1989 ]

Snippet 2.

Did you know? Michael owns a private bachelor pad in LA which he uses exclusively to entertain female friends [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Rebbie Jackson in Katherine’s Bio 1990, ]

“If Michael were married, the gay rumor would stop immediately. But the press doesn’t see him with many women, not taking into account the fact that he’s a workaholic. Also, with his eyes and his complexion and the fact that he wears make-up before the camera and onstage, he comes off to the press as looking sort of feminine.

But just being around him and hearing the little things that he says about women tell me he’s definitely not homosexual.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jodi Gomes, Executive Producer of the Jackson Family Dynasty show on her facebook, 4th May 2010, (Set of B/W 1991) ]

Jodi Gomes: Leave him alone! MJ NOT gay. A private gentlemen! flirtatious too. I met him on set Black/White. so gracious, he let me hug him for an eternity, while whispering naughty silly things in my ear! Watch MJ’s words “I’m not gay”

He infact was quite flirtatious & could catch u off guard with humor. about 9 hours ago via TweetDeck

Jodi Gomes on facebook, about meeting MJ during Dangerous recording sessions 1990-1991

I was a young TV producer recording/mixing Voice-over for an animated Nickelodeon series in the early 90’s. We booked a room weeks in advance, but the day of our session were told a client rented the entire facility. Of course, lil miss ambitious, I was beside myself. I pleaded with the management to let us use one room for just an hour, because it was a nightmare rescheduling the child actors. He reluctantly asked the client – and to my surprise the client obliged with two caveats: (1) I had to describe the characters that the kids were voicing – and – I happily did (inaccurately of course because I thought a competitor was in the other room stealing my idea! After all, this is Hollywood!); and (2) we would have to record in the smallest room, of which, the client had equipment and items stored, which we could not touch.

At the end of my rope, I agreed, and got to work. BUT… the room had a smell that we’ll just say, “had the funk of 40,000 years”. There were damp, sweaty, musty, funky, moldy T-shirts & clothes hidden behind a couch in the room. Piled high. Well – this was just too much! I carried on like a fool with the manager, who snickered with laughter. I went on & on about hygiene, “we’re a paying customer too” type stuff – and “you have the nerve to have a large client’s equipment stored in here with this nasty sh*t”.

GOD’S INTERVENTION: Bruce Swedien walks by. Then Michael Jackson walks by during my rant – of course I shut the heck up and showed respect because I was clearly enamored. We’d met previously and he recognized my face, gave me a huge flirtatious hug and mischievous smile. We exchanged a “where do I know you from” story and had a big laugh about something I can barely remember now.

SIDE NOTE: MJ had a way of making you feel like you knew him for 100 years, and eased your nerves about how HUGE he was.

He said, “so you’re the one recording the animation project?” I said yes and exchanged, “so you’re the big client keeping me out of this joint”. Again, we laughed. He was soooo curious about the animation project and voice over. With the ice broken, I called myself giving the King of Pop a heads up. I informed him that there were DISGUSTING, STANKY clothes in the room where he was storing equipment. He was shocked. He was embarrassed. He wanted to see it.

Again, the management smiled a funny smirk and led us to the room. I was being over dramatic covering my nose, preparing for the stench, and of course still carrying on. MJ kept teasing me & laughing, “oh girl stop, it’s can’t be that bad”… and before I could show him where the clothes were hidden, he went right over to the pile!!! He pulled them out and instructed manager to take HIS clothes away! Apparently, Michael liked to dance his little skinny butt off in between recording, and be drenched with sweat. He’d change clothes, and go back to recording…this went on for days! There was no equipment stored in the room – just his clothing. After complete embarrassment and a million apologies from me, he burst out with this huge laugh and said, “my brothers and I used to say, if it don’t stink – it aint funky”. He gave me a big hug and whispered to me, just don’t tell my Mother. I think that album went on to be “Dangerous” – and it definitely was funky! [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Smith Wordes and Michael ]

Smith Wordes, dancer for Michael in Smooth Criminal

Kathy Griffin during one of her comedy shows,

“First of all, you should know that I met him once.

Did you know that I was an extra in the famous Pepsi commercial where his hair caught on fire? It was 1984, I got $40, I was a paid extra, that was my job.

So, then years later I got to meet him very briefly. I met him in a room, I met him with a girl named Smith, this girl who’s a dancer and she had danced with him in the “Smooth Criminal” video, so he knew her very well.

So we were in a room, and he came in, he was taller than you would think, I didn’t think he was that tall, and I will say though that when I looked at him just a couple of feet away, like, I remember telling myself over and over, don’t stare at his face…

So anyway, alright here’s my Michael Jackson story. It’s not like comedy but I can only tell you that I only said “Hi” to him, I didn’t get to talk to him, but I got to watch him talk to this girl he knew really well.

And you want to know something weird, when he was talking to her, it was a small room, only five people, no cameras or nothing, he didn’t have that voice at all. Like he wasn’t like (*makes high pitched noises*).

I couldn’t believe it! Like, here’s Michael Jackson, looking the way you expect him to look, talking to this girl, he’s like “Hey what’s going on? You look good.” I couldn’t fucking believe it. I was like ‘what the?’ ‘who?’ ‘where’s the weird guy?’ So, like weird body, normal voice.”  [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Cece Peniston, Keenan Ivory Wayans Show (in 1997) ]

Cece talked about the time that Michael had sent her flowers and a note saying that he liked her song at that time and that he thought that she was pretty. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Iman, Daily Express, Feb 20 1992 ]

“We had to act out the kissing scene on Remember The Time three times and if Michael had anything to do with it, we would still be filming it,” she said, shrieking with laughter.

“He really got into it. I told him: ‘You know you’re paying me to do this! You know I’m an engaged woman!’ He thought that was very funny.”

“He’s a shy man but he has a great sense of humour. He mingled with everyone on the shoot and I was amazed how easy he was to be with.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Madonna and Michael, Joe Mantegna, talking about the filming of MJ’s Pepsi Commercial, sometime May 4th -22nd, 1992 ]

Joe Mantegna who worked on a commercial with Madonna in 1992 remembers that Michael was also working on a commercial in a studio nearby. He said that Madonna walked in and Michael was telling him something like, “You know Madonna can be naughty, a bad girl. Sometimes she needs to be spanked.” He hadn’t realized Madonna was standing right behind him.

“Director Joe Pytka tells US she [Madonna] visited him [Michael Jackson] on the set of an ad once: “They hung out for a while. It was a big surprise!” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND With Lisa Marie, November 1992 ]

According to Brett Livingstone, when Michael was about to leave, he offered Lisa a penetrating look and in a conspiratorial voice said, “You and me, we could get into a lot of trouble. Think about that, girl.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Becky Barksdale, lead guitarist for Michael during the Dangerous World Tour ]

Becky interview

Barksdale recalled a concert, in a town she can’t remember, where she got an unexpected surprise from the Man in the Mirror.

It was during Jackson’s mega-hit Beat It, as she ripped through the Eddie Van Halen riffs made famous on MTV. Concentrating on the song, Barksdale was paying attention to little else.

“I came out front with him and we were dancing around and playing guitar, and he was right next to me,” she said, encouraging fans to visit her website to look for photos of the two together. “We never really had any contact with each other. We’re doing the show, night after night after night. One night, I think we were in Buenes Aires, or Chile, I can’t remember which … I had my eyes shut and I’m playing guitar, doing a guitar solo. All of a sudden I feel something on my butt.

I was like, ‘Oh my God, some crazed fan had somehow gotten past security and was on stage. But he was just having fun with me. I turned around and I saw that it was him, and my jaw dropped. And the drummer, I think he skipped a beat because he was laughing so hard,” said Barksdale, who beat out hundreds of other guitarists in a closed audition to win the right to stand on stage with Jackson during the tour. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jane Pratt, Editor of Sassy Magazine, Conan 1995 ]

link to interview

Jane: The truth is actually he’s very different from any perception that I’ve had of him before. He’s incredible. I mean, I defend him to anybody because he’s wonderful. He’s sweet, he’s nice, he’s also incredibly macho. Now I know that’s not really a thing you think of but he is. (audience laughs, Conan gives the audience a look) I had the biggest crush on him.
Conan: I didn’t say anything. I just looked at my sympathy camera. Like seriously, he’s really macho? Moving a refrigerator a lot when he was there? Let me move that thing.
Jane: Okay, he’s a flirt for one thing. Is Lisa Marie going to come and like deck me?
Conan: No.
Jane: He’s a flirt and he’s the kind of person who notices if your drink needs refilling or if you’re cold he’ll come and bring you a jacket…
Conan: Did you get the jacket afterwards?
Jane:(laughing) No.
Conan: He’s wealthy, he should let you keep the jacket.
Jane: I know, but he gave me some tee shirts. He did give me some tee shirts. Cookies with Neverland Ranch on them.
Conan: Great a cookie and a tee shirt. Well, alright he’s very macho, this is all very different.
Jane: Yeah, he’s very very different than anything I’ve ever heard around before and much more normal than anything that’s ever been portrayed. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Playing with hair dresser Janet Zeuiton’s shirt/bra straps, set of Stranger in Moscow, 1996 ]

Janet Zeuiton, flirting, Michael Jackson, Stranger in Moscow [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Stacey McKenzie, Ghosts Premiere May 1997 ]

Stacey interview

I was so blessed to have the opportunity to meet the KING himself. I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life. I was chosen to attend The Fifth Element premier at the Cannes Film Festival as Jean Paul Gautiers’ date, the next day Mr. Gautier informed me that we were invited to attend the premier for Michaels video “Ghosts”. I brought my disposable camera (yes people DISPOSABLE) and took my seat in the 2nd row centre. Soon there was a lot of mayhem, people jumped out of their seats running to get a picture with Michael who was being swarmed by mad security. The security escorted Mr. Jackson to his seat and I almost had a heart attack, it was right in the front row centre behind me!

Once he settled in and the lights went dim, I began to tap him on his shoulder, he would turn around and smile, then speaking in his low boy like voice he said to me,”Hi pretty, are you having a good time?” I couldn’t speak but I was snapping away with my disposable camera. Through out the night, I tapped him quite a few more times and took quite a few more pictures, each and every time he would laugh asking if “I was enjoying myself.” After the premiere, he was willing to take a picture with me, while about to do so a crowd of people rushed him and he had to leave immediately due to security reasons. The last time I saw Mr. Jackson was while he was being taken away from beside me, the last thing he said to me was,”I’m sorry pretty girl, I hope you still had fun”. That was the day I met the KING and I continue to cherish it to this very sad day. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Chili, TLC, meeting him in the 90s ]

Chilli continues to look for love on her reality show “What Chili Wants”, the singer/songwriter might have found it already had it not been for the untimely death of Michael Jackson.

The Atlanta songstress hosted an exclusive pajama party this week at Darp Studios where guests viewed her TV show and listened to details of her private life.

Included in the convo was talk about Michael Jackson who according to Chili was her “husband.”

She tells the ladies, “Don’t nobody talk about Mike…that is my husband. We kissed twice on the lips, thank you…The first time I met Michael Jackson we hugged. He was not going for the lips at first…he went here and I went like that, I got half the lips…The last time I was around him he grabbed my face and said, “I know that face!”…He grabbed me and kissed me right on the lips.”

She also adds that while she’s not “easy”, she would have been a “sure thing” for the King of Pop.

“Y’all know I don’t be kissing people like that but I woulda tongued him down…and I’m not easy girl but I woulda been a sure thing.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Foxy Brown, Later With Cynthia Garrett, late 90s ]

Michael called her up out of the blue and kept telling her she was beautiful, and kept calling her Foxy. She said she didn’t feel pretty until he said that. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Mariah Carey, Seoul, Kosovo Concerts, June 1999 ]

“My Friend Michael” by Frank Cascio

After the concert, I was standing backstage with Michael when Mariah Carey, who had just performed, appeared with her boyfriend at the time – the Mexican singer Luis Miguel. Luis and I chatted about soccer – he initially thought I was from Spain because at the time my orange hair matched their team colors (I can’t explain the hair. I have no idea what I was thinking) – while Michael and Mariah talked. They were debating who sang it better: the song was I’ll Be There and both the 1970 Jackson 5 version and the version Mariah did twenty two years later with Trey Lorenz had been No 1 hit singles.

“Michael,” insisted Mariah, smiling from ear to ear, “No one could ever sing that song better than you.” A blush swept over Michael’s cheeks.

“No, no,” he blurted out. “Really, you did a better job.”

Mariah seemed honored to be in Michael’s presence – she was acting like a dazzled fan – and as the two stars chatted, I noticed the smile leave Luis Miguel’s face, and I got the impression that he was slightly annoyed at the attention Mariah was giving Michael. I myself was a little surprised to see Mariah, who was such a successful singer in her own right, appear so awed by Michael, but in the years to come I would see many stars behave that way in his presence.

Turning toward me, Mariah asked Michael, “Who’s your friend? He’s so cute.” She started rubbing my (inexplicably) orange hair.

“Please don’t stop,” I said, leaning into hair like a puppy.

“Frank, stop,” interrupted Michael. “Mariah doesn’t want to rub your head. God knows what you’ve got in there.”

Luis Miguel looked a little awkward and perplexed, standing there waiting in his skintight suit. I couldn’t help it. I pulled out my favorite routine [of giving people flattering comments about things he didn’t really like]. “I love your suit,” I told him.

Michael mumbled, “Stop,” but I was under the sway of an irresistible impulse.

“What brand is it?” I asked. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw that Michael was trying not to laugh.

Luis Miguel mumbled a designer brand, but he wasn’t smiling. He definitely didn’t like the heading rubbing or the friendly flirting between Mariah and Michael.

As they said goodbye, Michael seized the moment to exact a bit of revenge. He said to Mariah, “Frank’s a big fan of yours and has a massive crush on you.” I turned red. Did I have a crush on her? I ask myself now. I really don’ know, but I do recall thinking she was sexy.

After Mariah and Luis left, Michael and I teased each other about Mariah. Michael told me I wouldn’t know what to do with her if she were in my bed, and I retorted that if he was given a chance with her, he’d probably ask her to play video games or watch cartoons. He said, “Shut up, Frank,” in a funny way, and we both started laughing. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Patti Boulaye, Uri Geller’s Wedding, March 2001 ]

Patti’s interview

“When we met at Uri Geller’s wedding that was the first time Michael began to tease me about looking like Diana Ross. He’d turn around and look at me in that naughty way and go, (singing) “Ain’t no mountain high enough.” And I’d go, “Michael!” He’d just laugh and giggle and go, “Patti, you look just like Diana – there must be a throwback! She must come from your family.” I said “I don’t think so! I don’t think so at all. (laughing)”

There was this kind of energy and it was Michael’s energy. Nobody else – the only person I’ve come across with that kind of effect was the Pope, really.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Friend on myspace, 2000 on ]

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By this time I was about 20 and we had much more to talk about. I’ll never forget the first thing he asked me was about my aunt. He had a thing for my Aunt J in the 80’s. She was ten years older than him and about 100 pounds heavier than him. She had always been pretty big and curvacious, most of her weight settling towards her lower body. It cracked me up that after all that time he was still checking for her. My mother had always told me that she thought Michael was some kind of undercover freak. He tried to be a shy boy in his younger days but he often got caught stealing some peeks. As she says, she thinks Michael was an “ass man.”

We caught up over the phone. He never failed to remind me of what a “pretty woman” I had grown up to be. He also never hesitated to bring up my childhood (and adulthood lol) crushes on Jermaine and Jackie. The Michael I was talking to was no “freak” and he surely wasnt weird. In fact he was way more normal than me. We called each other for the next few years and chatted about this and that. He was the same ol Michael to me. I started to think about making him pay my phone bill because he liked to talk…A LOT.

The Michael that people read about and see on TV was not the real Michael. They portray him to be some weird, quiet, asexual, virgin hermit that he’s not. Michael Joseph Jackson was one of the most flirtatious men I’ve ever encountered. It always throws me that people think he’s asexual or even gay. Michael loves women. Period. Black women, big women, little women, white women, tall women, short women…all women. No woman could be safe around the King of Pop. As shy as he was, he never hesitated to place his hands on my hips or stare at different women. He would be embarrassed to be caught taken a peak at cleavage or a booty. It was always a good laugh catching Mike glancing at someone’s assets. I saw him with different women over the years and I can be a witness to him being very much hetero.

We would get together and drink a little. We chatted about everything under the sun and laughed about everything. No one can make me laugh the way Michael did. He liked to joke about his bad luck with women. Some of the best laughter I’ve ever had was hearing him drop an f-bomb every now and then or his face when I made him dance with me to In The Closet. There was never a quiet dull moment around him. He allowed me to steal kisses from him and playfully tug at his clothes. I’d let him sneak a kiss in and I wouldnt bust him out for feeling up my thigh. I would never pass up the chances I got to get the famous MJ hugs. He has the best hugs in the world. But our relationship was never anything but platonic with a bit of the good ol Jackson flirtation. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Invincible Signing, New York, November 2001 ]

@9:30 Invincible Signing Part 1 November 2001,

An older woman approaches the table to have her CD signed and MJ says “hi” to her than as she leaves he says, “elderly fish.”


(girl wearing a crop top and wearing a navel ring approaches Michael, Michael gestures and asks to bring her closer, he studies her belly button)

MJ: How does that work? Does it hurt?

After Michael gives the girl a hug, the man wearing grey next to Michael says: Do I see something sticking out?

MJ: You naaasty!


The girl the BG were talking about in the tight white top approaches the table to have her CD signed and the security guard grins at MJ, raises his eyebrows at him and says “I’ll say no more.”

The girl says “Hi” then after she’s had her CD signed she leaves and MJ starts laughing and one of the security guards says “You dirty dog!”


Security Guard 1: “Got a *something* a little while away”

Security Guard 2: “The one with the white top, oh yeah *inaudible*.”

Michael: “Is she hot?”

Guy having his CD signed by MJ swivels his head to look around for the same girl

Security Guard 1: “Oh yeah, she looks amazing.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael visiting Gary Indiana, June 11 2003 ]

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Fans follow the limo and a female fan with large breasts presses up against the glass of the limo as it leaves

MJ: “There’s some GOOD fish!”

MJ: (looking back at the crowd) “There’s some gooooood fish back there! Ooh! That one right there!”

Karen Faye: (laughing) “Oh look at that one right there! Look at her! Look!”

MJ: “Look at her titties! (laughing) Her titties are going… (makes bouncing motion)”

Further along,

MJ: (watching people still following the limo) “Tell the police to be gentle with those girls, do not be mean – (points at girl) I like that one right there.”

Cousin: “Me too.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND P. Diddy on Michael hollering and dancing with Beyonce, 2001 Party ]

Diddy: Security they come over to me and they say, Mr Coombs: “Mr Michael Jackson is here to see you.” I’m like, ‘Get out of here’. So I go over, I find Mike and I’m like: “Mike what’s up, what you doing here? Thanks for coming.” So I get him a booth, we go to the booth, we start chit-chatting. (reffering to photo) Bring that up so they can see. See, he has his arm around me but you don’t see the shot of him whispering in my ear right after the shot was taken, he whispers in my ear, he says (soft voice immitating MJ) “Where’s Beyonce?”

Letterman: (audience laughs, claps) Really? Really? Wow. She was at the party?

Diddy: He came to the party to holler at Beyonce! This was before Jay Z though, you know what I’m saying? He came to the party to holler at Beyonce, finds her, then dances with Beyonce in the party.

Letterman: Really?

Diddy: Mike was smooth, Jack.

Another interview with P.Diddy talking about Mike hollering for Beyonce,

“I was always impressed about how down to Earth he was. But this is actually down to Earth, he’s asking if it’s alright to come to this party. He said, like, “This party’s really hot. You gotta invite me to more of your parties.” And then he leans over to me and he’s like, we’re taking some pictures and he’s like, “Where’s Beyonce?” I’m like, I’m like I didn’t think I heard him correctly. He’s like, “You know, I heard she’s here, where’s Beyonce?”

And I’m like, “Okay, well hold on, let me go find out where she’s at.”

So I round up on B, B’s on the dancefloor and I’m like, “B, um, you know, Michael’s here, he wants to meet you.” So I get Mike, you know bring him over, he’s like, “I love the record,” whatever, whatever.

He goes to tell the DJ to play the record. DJ plays the record.

And um, I recall them dancing, I don’t want to be quoted for that, that could’ve been in my imagination, but I do recall them dancing or something but even if they never danced that’s the way it is in my mind, but I’m pretty sure that they did dance.

But the whole recollection of that is that – it was so real that Mike recognized the greatness in Beyonce early. He had no ego about it and was ready to meet her and give her hers and he was also ready to go for his as a man. I think we all as men at the time wanted to dance with Beyonce. Michael had the courage enough to come to a party, ask for Beyonce and even dance with her. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Nelson George about the fine assed women in the studio with MJ, MJ going to a party to see Beyonce and getting one of his people to get another girl’s number, Conversations on Michael’s Black America, June 4 2010 ]

link to interview, starts at 86:00

“You know it’s funny… Michael was a big sex symbol. Which has kind of got lost in the thing, but Michael was a huge sex symbol and… I’ll tell a story that’s not in the book because I actually didn’t have the right framework for it but in talking to LA Reid and talking to Teddy Riley, guys that spent a lot of time with him, they both told me stories about these women in the studio. It’s an interesting thing, everyone has their perceptions about what Michael was about, but I’ll tell you what… LA Reid is a guy I know very well, I know Teddy Riley very well, these are very straight guys. And they’re telling me that Michael had fine-ass women in the studio, you know, hanging out with him. I believe them. But also, the other thing he said about that was that he… would not… this is another story, another story, another friend of mine, a giant Michael Jackson fan, befriended him, I guess it must be around the turn of the century. So he goes to a party with Michael, Michael’s asking him, “Where’s Beyonce?” ‘Cause he’s never met Beyonce at this point, ’cause he wanted to see her, he made a reference about her derriere. And he goes, “I want to see the girl with the…[derriere]” So he introduces him to Beyonce.

And Michael sees a woman in the crowd, and gets them to bring her over, Michael chats with her, Michael does not take her phone number. As any well known star knows you never take the phone number, your man takes the phone number. So this guy ends up getting the number for Michael. So it’s interesting that there’s this whole narrative about Michael as a heterosexual male, hanging out with guys I know who are very heterosexual male, but there’s something interesting… he himself, would never consciously publicly… it was like he had this whole thing… he was selling the innocent, magical thing.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND With Magdalena, interviewer in Gold Magazine, 2002 Interview ]

Magdalena: Who would be your ideal leading lady, and why?

Michael: An actress? [laughs] You and I should do a film together. Let’s do it, I’d love that… [/EXPAND] [EXPAND With an Unknown Fan, Bashir Documentary, 2002 ]

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Fan (outside car): Michael can I get a hug? Can I get a hug Michael?
MJ: Let her in, let her in, let her, she won’t hurt me.
Fan (entering car): Can I give you a hug?
MJ: Of course. (going to hug her) I’ll give you more than a hug.
Bashir: Sorry?
MJ: (laughs and hugs the girl)  [/EXPAND] [EXPAND With Flight Attendants ]

Frank Cascio’s book, speaking about flying out to Seoul in 1999:

The whole first class cabin was empty except for me and another gentleman, but the flight attendants were pretty. I had learned to flirt with flight attendants from Michael: they always had interesting stories to tell. Michael and I always asked them about their favorite travel destinations, whether they were married or had boyfriends, and so on.

Cynthia Bell on left, Lauren Wallace on right

Bashir Documentary 2002,

Jackson wonders if Bashir likes flying.

Bashir claims he hates it, and says that the people on airplanes drink too much because they get alcohol for free (implying that he only flies first class).

Michael says that he loves to talk to the stewardesses, but Bashir doesn’t find that worth discussing. Michael continues with the subject, teasing Bashir about flight attendants, mentioning that he likes how women take care of him. But Bashir chooses to ignore the topic.

Cynthia Bell, prosecution witness, trial, 2005

The second flight attendant, Cindy Bell, was also an attractive woman, a blonde with a great smile. She seemed completely capable and sure of herself, and looked like she was very happy to see Michael. Even under the circumstances.

Miss Bell had a sweet expression on her face as she locked eyes with the pop star, who gently rocked back and forth in his seat behind the defense table.

Testimony from flight attendant, Cynthia Bell, TMez cross:

27 jury that you perceive Michael Jackson as a touchy-

28 feely kind of person, right? 4165

1 A. That is correct.

2 Q. And you said he was touchy-feely, kind of,

3 to you, right?

4 A. That is correct.

5 Q. What do you mean by that?

6 A. Well, he’s very soft-spoken, and typically

7 because of — he’s very polite and very soft-spoken,

8 I would have to kneel and gain eye contact with Mr.

9 Jackson. And, you know, he is very, you know — you

10 know, would touch my arm when we were communicating.

11 I don’t mean touchy-feely like in a weird sort of

12 manner. Just sort of a polite, gaining eye contact,

13 you know, maintaining, you know, communication that

14 way.

Lauren Wallace, prosecution witness, court 2005

Michael took off his sunglasses to get a better look at a beautiful tall blonde who entered the courtroom: Miss Lauren Wallace, a flight attendant who had served him numerous times. With her long blonde hair and perfect figure accented by a white pant suits and sexy black camisole, Miss Wallace had everyone in the courtroom paying attention. The blonde bombshell was one of the head flight attendants for Extrajet, a private airline that Michael often chartered for himself, his guests, and his three children.

As the gorgeous young woman was sworn in, staring over at Michael with adoring eyes, the pop star looked at her with a curious expression. It seemed like Michael was attracted to her on some level, but then he put on his wire-rimmed reading glasses and began glancing at notes from Messereau. Apparently, Michael didn’t want to be distracted by her beauty. Michael was anxious to hear what she’d been called to talk about.

Lauren Wallace, testimony:

The larger-than-life singer once wrote a personal note to one of her family friends who was very sick.

He was kind, gracious and polite to Wallace, the sole flight attendant on many XtraJet private flights that the one-time King of Pop chartered between California, Florida and other points.

In fact, they had “developed a strong professional friendship, I guess you could say,” Wallace said.

“He was wonderful, he was very kind, he was very humble, he was very gracious, very polite all the time,” Wallace said. “Sometimes he would joke around.”

“It was rare that we would sit down and chat, but on a couple occasions we would,” she said.

“It was wonderful getting to see him again,” she said, noting however that “it’s hard to be in that position when I like him so much.

“I was very flattered that he remembered me and was very coherent and knew who I was,” she said. “I was surprised. I expected him to be out of it. I was very surprised at his ability to recognize me.”

“I’ve been happy to fly Mr. Jackson and his family from day one, and I will remain that way,” she said. “It’s been a wonderful journey and experience, and it will be again.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Taping of Geraldo Interview, 30 January, 2005 ]

He is a real joker and a huge flirt with the girls, he kept making everyone in the studio laugh. It was a good feeling to see him go back to the music. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND With Beyonce, WMA, 16th November 2006 ]

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Tells Beyonce, “you’re distracting me.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Bill Whitfield talks about it, Bodyguard from 2007-2009 ]

Gonzalezok: am curious about this and i KNOW alot of people would like to know too so here it goes Bill… did you saw MJ flirting with girls alot? was he a natural flirt or just avoided the whole thing cause of his shyness?

MJ’s Bodyguard: I was not going to answer this but I’ll give u guys a little. Yes, MJ was very charming, he did flirt from time to time. Sometimes he would ask me to get someones number or ask do I think someone is cute. It was so funny to watch dude flirt. I tell women I meet that I have a dog, I would hear MJ tell women he has a Zoo! how do you top someone that has a Zoo?

Lenart: When Michael asked you to get someone’s number what would he tell the girl? That he is calling coz she is pretty lol?

MJ’s Bodyguard I cant get into that….yet

Marin Hey, at first lemme say thank u for everything u do, thank u for the way u show your devotion and yourlove for our dear Michael, there is a question that interests me a lot and if you have time i will be very grateful u to answer me-so can you tell me what kind of women Mike liked?I mean what should a woman look like… to attract Michael’s attention? thank u beforehand and God bless you.

MJs Bodyguards

ok for the LAST TIME! though I should wait for the book I will say this; MJ admired the way women styled their hair and the way they dressed. He commented about diffent women just walking buy. He would ask us what did we think about sertain women, he liked talking.

Q: hey when is the book coming out? my question is did Michael ever date a girl a lot younger than him? and welcome back!

MJs Bodyguards We are still working on a date release. He did take someone to a movie and dinner, not sure if he would call it dating.

Sameeha Hey Guys! Did you ever see a lady turn down/ignore/brush off MJ? LOL. It would be hard to imagine but maybe a funny story? Thanks!

MJs Bodyguards Never, if they were able to get close to him it was because they wanted to be. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Kai Chase, personal chef in 2009 ]

link to interview

Interviewer: Did he ever flirt with you?

Kai: Oh yeah, he would flirt you know, in his own charming way. I remember Prince coming into the kitchen, “daddy wants to know when dinner’s going to be ready?” I said, “It’s going to be ready at 6:30.” “Okay, well when it’s ready can you come and set it on th table.” So I’m in the dining room and I’m putting the dishes down and the food and whatnot and he walks in. I have menus on the table for the kids to see. So I’m leaving the area and I have on my chef’s uniform, the chef’s jacket and on the back there’s a little opening at the back of the apron. So I have my white jeans on and I remember as I’m walking out, I turn around just to see and all of a sudden “psshht” his head turned and it was right on my tush. I was like okaaaay.

Interviewer: Fair to say that in that moment the King of Pop was reading more than one menu at the same time.

Kai: (laughing) I think so. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Queen Latifah ]

link to interview

“I never actually got to meet him,” she said. “My [business] partner, Shakim [Compere], met him because we managed Naughty By Nature and they did a remix with him.”

Queen Latifah revealed the King of Pop appreciated her good looks.

“He thought I had beautiful cheekbones, I know that much,” she said. “That’s a compliment coming from Michael Jackson.” [/EXPAND]

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Michael Jackson and Tatum O’Neal

(Tatum was born on the 5th November, 1963. Michael the 29th August, 1958. She was 12 when they first met in 1975, he was 17. They started dating in 1977 when she was 13 and he was 18 and finished when she was around 16 and he was 20.)

[EXPAND On Their First Meeting At A Paul McCartney party in 1975, (Magic and Madness, Taraborelli, p. 195, ’91 ed) ]

Michael and Tatum first met in 1975 at a party Paul McCartney hosted aboard the Queen Mary in Long Beach, California. At the time, he was seventeen and she was twelve. They had no contact with each other again until the spring of 1977, when Michael spotted Tatum with her father at the On the Rox club in Los Angeles.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Photos of them together at a party at The Roxy, 1977 ]

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The singer had been seen many times in the company of adolescent actress Tatum O’Neal. After the critical acclaim she received acting with her father Ryan in Paper Moon she was in the same position as Michael. Everywhere she went Tatum was the centre of attraction. Michael could empathize with the pressures of child stardom and found in her a kindred spirit.

In fact reports reached the press that the relationship had turned torrid at Hugh Hefner’s Los Angeles mansion and that they had taken a nude sauna bath together. “Well, I guess I am dating her in a way,” he explained. “I’ve taken her out a couple of times — or she’s taken me out — whatever. ‘I met her sometime back, when Paul McCartney gave a party on the Queen Mary boat. She was there and we talked a bit. Two years went by before I saw her again, which was at a club on Sunset Blvd called the Roxy. We talked and talked and talked. The next day she invited me to join her at Hugh Hefner’s house to watch Roots on videotape. She got sort of bored, so we went outside and got into the jacuzzi. We weren’t naked as people have said. We both had on bathing suits, just enjoying ourselves. And that’s it.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Magic&Madness regarding their first few dates, p. 196, ’91 ed ]

The next day, thirteen-year-old Tatum invited Michael to a dinner party at Playboy publisher Hugh Hefner’s rambling Holmby Hills estate, long a playpen for the chic Beverly Hills jet set. There they watched Roots, the highly rated Alex Haley television miniseries, on videotape. When Tatum became bored, she asked Michael to go into the hot tub with her.

“But I don’t have a bathing suit,” he said.

“Who needs bathing suits?” Tatum responded.

When Michael began to blush, Tatum asked one of Hefner’s assistants for two swimsuits, then handed one to Michael.

Tatum’s hair at this time was soft blond and flowed just below her shoulders. Her skin was baby pink and her figure quite ample for a girl who wouldn’t turn fourteen until close to the end of the year.

She was almost plump. “She’s like a sacred doll,” Michael said of her to a friend. He said that while soaking in the water and watching for shooting stars, the two shared secrets with one another.

Eventually, rumor has it they were nude together in the hot tub. The idea was tantalizing to the public, and the rumor persisted for months, fed by Tatum’s fast-life reputation.

“We weren’t naked,” Michael firmly pointed out in an interview, “as people have said. We both had on bathing suits, just enjoying ourselves. And that’s it. Why do people have to always find something dirty in everything?” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Todd Gold’s book on their first few dates ]

He wasn’t used to being touched in a romantic way by pretty young ladies, and when Tatum’s gentle hand rested upon his, Michael’s heart melted.

On their first official date they went to Hugh Hefner’s Playboy Mansion, an enormous stone castle in Holmby Hills, with a reputation for being an orgiastic playground. Inside, the rooms were generally dark and full of leather furniture. The rambling backyard was home to Hef’s envious collection of exotic animals, not the least of which were the many shapely young women who regularly lounged topless poolside in all their pneumatic splendour.

Halfway through the movie they were watching, Tatum, then fifteen years old and light years ahead of Michael in sophistication, led her more innocent date outside for some fun and relaxation in the backyard. Discarding their clothes they slipped into the roiling hot tub. In recounting the incident, Michael says they had their swimming suits on, but mansion insiders say they were indeed skinny-dipping.

Consequently, the bare facts remain buried in a frothy sea of bubbles but Michael’s sexual preference seemed clear. “I can’t tell the details of that evening since I wasn’t there,” Marlon says, “But Michael definitely isn’t gay. He’s not as innocent as people think. When it came to girls in the early days, he and Jermaine were something to keep up with. Michael definitely isn’t a virgin.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael telling Hilburn about Tatum, Hilburn, Cornflakes with John Lennon, p. 160]

…when I asked [Michael] about supposed encounters with Tatum O’Neal, his eyes got big as he told me about the time at the Roxy that she had actually put her hand on his knee under the table.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Susan Blonde in Ron Galella’s book about Michael and Tatum at The Roxy ]

“I introduced Michael to Tatum O’Neal at On the Rox in Hollywood. Her father Ryan flirted with me a little, so Tatum sat on Michael’s lap (she was still a kid, although she had won an Academy Award).” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Talk with Joe about Michael dating Tatum and being seen at the Playboy Mansion, Jet Mar 31, 1977 ]

Michael Jackson and Tatum O'Neal
Michael Jackson and Tatum O'Neal [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Report of Michael date at the Playboy Mansion, 4th April, 1977 ]

Michael Jackson and Tatum O'Neal [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jacksons interview, Echoes, May 28th, 1977]

Rumours of Michael’s love life abound. He’s been matched up to date with every under-seventeen year old from Jodie Foster to Stephanie Mills and Tatum O’Neal. Yes, he and Tatum have gone to a couple of parties, but they are strictly friends. Jackie kids that Linda Blair (of Exorcist film fame) is still ringing him up. Michael prefers to tip out quietly on his own. But he does ask after 14 year old Heather McCartney, who he met at the Wings party last year. “They have a house in Scotland. I thought they might be up there.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael asked if he’s dating Tatum, JET 30th june 1977 ]

Michael Jackson and Tatum O'Neal[/EXPAND] [EXPAND St Peterburg Times, 13 July 1977 ]

“Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Ledger, 14 Aug 1977 ] “Michael

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael speaks about meeting Tatum in 1975, Rock Lives, August 23, 1977]


“This was a year ago. I’ve got some pictures here of the party. It was a gigantic party at the Harold Lloyd estate. It was a very good evening. All the stars were there! [He pulls a voluminous black scrapbook off a nearby shelf and leafs through it.] Lemme see. This is when we met the Queen . . . This is at Paul’s party at Harold Lloyd’s estate, right around the time when Paul and his wife and I, were were talking about the Girlfriend song, and exchanging numbers and addresses.

“That was one of the greatest parties I’ve ever been to, because when Paul gives a party he believes in just going out! It was a whole schedule: nine o’clock, you get to see the ballerina act. Ten o’clock, Chuck Norris, the karate expert, put on a show. At four o’clock in the evening, the Broadway company of The Wiz would put on a show. There were all kinds of food! You want Mexican food, they had a Mexican stand, a Mexican lady. Italian, and Italian stand with an Italian man. American food, a buffet! Oh, man!

And that’s more at Paul McCartney’s party, where they had the Wiz show… And John Belushi doing his Joe Cocker imitation at Paul’s thing, too. Did you see the robot on summer TV specials? That was the same robot that was at Paul McCartney’s party! That was the first time I had seen it. I said, “How does he work?”

People went crazy over him. And that’s my friend Tatum O’Neal . . . And that’s my nephew on my brother’s side.

I left kinda early, but the party went on and on…”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael denies swimming naked with Tatum, JET 22 Sep 1977]

Michael Jackson and Tatum O'Neal[/EXPAND] [EXPAND “Michael hoping for Tatum to visit him in New York, Pittsburg Post Gazette, 7 Dec 1977 ] “Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O Neal, 22, December, 1977 ] “Michael [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael speaks about Tatum, London, Disco Dancing, 1978]

He admits to often still being shy and embarrassed in front of girls.

“But I love them,” he says. “I’d love to meet the right girl and get married. But at the moment I can’t because there’s so many things I’ve got to do.”

Michael’s name has been recently linked with film star, Ryan O’Neal’s daughter, Tatum. But he says, “We’re really good friends. She’s helped me a lot with my acting.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Interview with Michael by phone from California, August 3, 1978:]


L.R. You’ve been seen out with Janelle Penny Commissiong, the former Miss Universe. Is it a romance?

M.J. [Laughter, giggling.] That’s a hard question to answer. Like most of the people you may see me out with, like Tatum [O’Neal] and Janelle, they’re kind of on and off, they’re friends, and [hysterical laughter] … I talk to them. I don’t know how to describe it, really [more laughter]. I don’t know what to say.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael says Tatum wants to take him camping, People Weekly, November 1978]


They met at record producer Lou Adler’s private club, and she later took Michael on a date – he claims it was his first with anyone – to an open house at Hugh Hefner’s mansion. Yet Tatum has so far failed to persuade Michael to move up to Malibu to be near her. ”Girls,” he complains, ”want all your time.”


(Michael is) planning a three month tour with his brothers of, among other places, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines and Singapore. (A new LP , Destiny, the first completely written and produced by the Jacksons, has just shipped gold.) At some point, though, Michael wants to fit in a pleasure trip with Tatum. “She wants to take me camping. I’ve never done any of those things,” he says wistfully. “I been knowin’ this business all my life so there’s no way of quittin’-but I am ready for a nice long vacation.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael wanted to go with Tatum to the premiere of the Wiz, 24 Oct, 1978]

Michael invites Tatum to be his date for The Wiz but she turns him down and he goes alone.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael attends Tatum O’Neal’s Birthday Party, November 5 1978 ]

At 5:43 on Tatum and Ryan’s 2011 show The O’Neal’s where Tatum talks about the craziest birthday she ever had at a dinner.

Tatum: But for 16, dad, we had a party and we invited a couple hundred people and a couple of thousand came.
Ryan: I remember 15 now…
Tatum: 16 or 15.
Ryan: Oh I have to sit down.
Tatum: Sit down now. So, I remember Brooke Shields came.
(Someone mentions Michael)
Tatum: Well, Michael was there. Michael was there. (Show a picture of her and Michael) And it was just the craziest birthday and I remember going ‘Where were you dad? Where were you?” You were at the beach house.'[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael talks about Tatum, Jet Dec 14, 1978]

Michael Jackson’s first date is still his current one – but he isn’t saying it goes beyond that.

Jackson, who is part of the box office success of the film version of The Wiz, still dates teen actress Tatum O’Neal, who he said was really excited for me when I was cast for (it).

“She helped me, too, with advice on how to stay cool through it all. She and her dad (actor Ryan O’Neal) have been just great for me,” he told a Philadelphia Daily News interviewer.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum interview, The Beautiful Brat, 1978 ]

“He doesn’t believe in birthdays or Christmas or Halloween or any of those things. It’s so strange because I’d like to send him a Christmas card and he says I mustn’t do it. Strange, no presents. I think that’s so weird. I love presents more than anything and I thrive on them.”

Ryan O Neal characterized their relationship as “no big thing.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum, Michael, Dan Aykroyd, Randy Jackson, Margot Kidder, photographed together, 1979]

1979: Actress Tatum O’Neal and actor Dan Aykroyd sit at a table and pose fora portrait with pop singer Marlon Jackson, basketball player Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson, pop singer Michael Jackson and actress Margot Kidder at an event in 1979.

“Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael interview, 1979]

Because Jackson is such an introvert, his life isn’t as glamorous as many assume it is. He could obviously be part of that frantic show biz social circle but chooses, nearly all the time, to avoid it “That way of life isn’t for me,” he said. “It’s not what I want. I don’t go out much. Oh, if Tatum (actress O’Neal, a close friend) calls and wants to go out I may go to the Roxy or some place like that. But I spend a lot of time by myself. That’s the way I want it.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Sat next to Tatum O’Neal at the Grammys, 1979]

Soon after, Michael made a solo album, “Off the Wall,” produced by brilliant pop composer Quincy Jones. It was more sophisticated than anything he and his brothers had ever done, and Michael won the 1979 Grammy for Best Rhythm and Blues Male Vocal for one of the singles from it. He sat in the audience that night next to his friend Tatum O’Neal, his conventional cuteness suddenly replaced by a sharply original handsomeness. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Taken inside a bank vault in Beverly Hills to celebrate a gold record for the Destiny album, June 1979]



Photographer Brad Elterman on these photos

Michael Jackson made sure that I got these cool photos of him dancing with Tatum O’Neal at a party held inside a bank vault in Beverly Hills. They were best buddies and Michael wanted copies of all the photos.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND The Ledger, 26th June 1979]

“Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum and Michael reported back “on” again, Spokane Daily Chronicle, 11 July 1979]


[/EXPAND] [EXPAND The alleged encounter between Taum and Carole Mallory and Michael Jackson, printed in Star Magazine 8/2/1988]

Magic/Madness quoting a Star magazine exclusive (originally printed 8/2/88 “How Tatum O’Neal Stripped to Seduce Michael Jackson”) on what happened a few weeks later between them

Says Sarah Jackson (no relation to Michael) who was a friend of Tatum’s at the time, “Tatum told me that Michael was a nice guy, but so shy, how can any girl have a relationship with him? When we’re together, he hardly says two words. I know he’s a virgin. Someone needs to have a talk with him about it. I wonder if he’s afraid to have sex. He doesn’t seem very interested.”

Michael’s romance with Tatum lasted a couple of years and apparently ended the night of a Hollywood party at the guest house at Rod Stewart’s Beverly Hills home in 1979. The occasion was a rock concert Michael had attended with Tatum and some of her friends.

A lawsuit has been filed regarding reported events that allegedly took place at that party. According to one published report in Star magazine, Tatum persuaded Michael to go with her and a few friends, including model novelist Carole Mallory, to a small party at Rod Stewart’s. Stewart was not home.

According to the assertions of the complaint filed by Carole Mallory in her lawsuit, Alasdair Buchan reported that Tatum tried to convince Michael to have sex with her and Carole Mallory. Mallory and O’Neal were supposed to have made a pact that this evening would be “let’s bed Jackson night.” Mallory reportedly told O’Neal, “Well, if you don’t want him, I’ll have him, darling.” To which Tatum said, “Even better, why don’t we let him decide.”

The two starlets then supposedly climbed into a bed with actor Leif Garrett. “Come to bed with Carole and me,” Buchan reported Tatum O’Neal as having told Michael Jackson.

As the other at the party cheered him on, the shy Michael stood up and headed for the bedroom with Tatum and a scantily dressed Mallory. But Buchanan reported that, in the end, Michael refused their offer of sex. As a result, he was taunted and embarrassed in front of the other party goers.

According to “Starfucking as Research” a Playboy magazine article about Carole Mallory, the “ex model was inspired by her nights under the stars – some forty celebs, she says,” to write a sexy Hollywood novel, Flash, published in 1988. The dust jacket of Flash describes the book as portraying “the wild fantasies, the perverse desires, the amorous delights the way a woman really experiences them. And what the boys don’t know, Carole Mallory tells.”

Even though Carole Mallory is popular for living a rather sensational life style, when asked to clarify the accuracy of the report thtat she and Tatum O’Neal tried to seduce Michael Jackson, she became outraged and indignant. “How dare you? How dare you ask me such a question?” she said. “If you so much as use my name in your book, I will sue you, I swear it!”

The next dat Mallory’s attorney, Elliot Livingstone, reiterated her threat. Finally, Mallory would insist that the story was not true, and that she was suing the tabloids that published it. Indeed, she did file suit against The Star and NOTW for $50 million, in September 1988, claiming that “as a result of the extraordinary personal effort, struggle and hardship, [I} for at least approximately eight years [have] been and [continue] to be a reformed and rehabilitated alcohol, cocaine and sex addict.”

Whatever really happened that night remains a mystery, Michael Jackson has never commented on the matter. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael mentions Tatum, Ebony, September 1979]


At 21, Michael is unmarried but is reported to have “a thing” going with actress Tatum O Neal, who is 15.

Michael says that he has “plenty of time” to think about marriage, and he is not eager to discuss his friendship with Ryan O’Neal’s daughter Tatum, 15. He says she is the first girl he ever dated, admits they are “very close” — then says no more. The relationship has already created too much controversy — involving Tatum’s age, mainly, and then there’s the interracial thing, too, and the Jackson’s avoid controversy at all cost. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum attends the Triumph Tour, 1980]

“Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael mentions Tatum, Melody Maker, March 1, 1980 ]

I wonder if most of Michael’s friends are entertainers, and he agrees.

“Most of the time you understand each other easier, Tatum (O’Neal) will call me up and say, “Hey, you wanna go somewhere?” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Ledger, 24 July 1981, Jackson and Tatum to Star in Film To Be Shot in China] “Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Evening Independent, 25th July 1981] “Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael talks about Tatum, Ebony, Dec 1982] “Michael[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Fan asks if rumours about Tatum and Michael being back together are true, Gossip Column, Feb 22 1983]

Q: We keep hearing rumors of a romance between Tatum O Neal and singer Michael Jackson. Are the reports true?

A: Tatum and Michael may have shared some innocent dates in the past, but that was it. A while back I checked out a rumor that Jackson’s interest in Tatum was much more intense than vice versa. Didn’t turn out to be true.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND February 28th, 1984, Grammy Awards]


Poor Tatum O’neal was at the entrance door with four friends, watching the madness.

Michael, Brooke and a coterie of security guards rushed right by her. “Michael. Hey, Michael!” Tatum shouted. Too late. He was gone. She turned to her friends. “I’ll introduce you to him later. I promise.”

…As he left the auditorium with Brooke and Emmanuel, fifty people were elbowed out of his way by his guards–including Tatum O’ Neal and her four friends. “I’ll introduce you to him later,” she promised them, again.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael and Tatum go to a Kool Aid And The Gang concert together, Michael in disguise, May 11th 1984]


At first glance you wonder what beaming young actress Tatum O’Neal sees in her older date, his features obscured by a huge afro and bushy beard.But the eyes are the giveaway – beneath the elaborate disguise is a 24-year-old Michael Jackson, hoping to enjoy a concert with his first girlfriend in blissful anonymity.The 1982 snap documents one of the many “crazy nights” Tatum, then 18, says she shared with Jackson. And while the singer came to be mocked for the crazy disguises he adopted, this one was clearly a work of genius.

When the snap resurfaced recently, a now 45-year-old Tatum told pals: “We were going to a Kool And The Gang concert, but Michael didn’t want to be spotted. “He got a special effects guy to help. We had an amazing night. No one recognised us, but we did get some strange looks as he appeared so much older than me.”

A Jackson insider reckoned the get-up – put together by Oscar-winning special effects artist Rick Baker, who worked on the Thriller video – cost thousands of dollars.They added: “Michael loved it. He thought it was so much fun. Rick created this beard and did some work on Michael’s lips. He also gave him make-up to make his skin darker.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum seen with Michael during Victory Tour in New York, Jul 6, 1984 ]


Where is His Hotness staying?

Rumors abound: He is in the Alameda Plaza Hotel because it is swanky. He is in the Westin Crown Center because it is easily secured, and President Reagan stays there. (The possibility that Jackson is a Republican remains.)

He is at a private home. He has been here all week, and saw “Gremlins” Wednesday night. He is not here at all, but will be air-lifted in at concert time.

Jackson almost scotched the last rumor when he appeared at a news conference here yesterday.

The problem was that Jackson was only in the room for three minutes and you had the feeling that a first-rate look-alike could have pulled off his act.

The press, three hundred strong, quivered with anticipation and fear of losing their seats.

“Somebody said Brooke Shields is out in the hall!” exclaimed one unfortunate reporter, ignorant of the fact that His Hotness was most recently cited with Tatum O’Neal, not Shields. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael speaks about not being able to return all of Tatum’s calls, Ebony Dec 1984]

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jermaine Jackson mentions her, early 80s]

But he dates other women, including a former Miss Universe and Tatum O’Neal.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND MJ talks about Tatum in his Moonwalk autobiography, 1988 ]

I saw Paul [McCartney] for the first time at a party on the Queen Mary , which is docked in Long Beach. His daughter Heather got my number from someone and gave me a call to invite me to this big party. She liked our music and we got to talking.

later on:
My first real date was with Tatum O’Neal. We met at a club on Sunset Strip called On the Rox. We exchanged phone numbers and called each other often. I talked to her for hours: from the road, from the studio, from home. On our first date we went to a party at Hugh Hefner’s Playboy Mansion and had a great time. She had held my hand for the first time that night at On the Rox. When we met, I was sitting at this table and all of a sudden I felt this soft hand reach over and grab mine. It was Tatum. This probably wouldn’t mean a lot to other people, but it was serious stuff to me. She touched me . That’s how I felt about it. In the past, girls had always touched me on tour; grabbing at me and screaming, behind a wall of security guards. But this was different, this was one-on-one, and that’s always the best.

Ours developed into a real close relationship. I fell in love with her (and she with me) and we were very close for a long time. Eventually the relationship transcended into a good friendship. We still talk now and then, and I guess you’d have to say she was my first love – after Diana.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Photo of Michael in disguise with Tatum in ’84 offered for sale, The Deseret News, August 22 1989]

Jackson: Pricey Pic

Could any fan of Michael Jackson be fanatical enough to pay $400,000 for a photograph of His Weirdness? That’s the asking price for an original Polaroid showing Jackson, in a bushy afro wig and bogus beard disguise, sans glove, hugging his pal Tatum O’Neal. The photo was snapped by an employee at the Helmsley Palace, where Jackson was staying. The Palace paparazzo, who is accepting bids until October at a Bronx post office box, tells Eavesdropping that Jackson paid $10,000 for the get up.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael speaks about Tatum, Glenda audio, June 1992 ]

Michael’s phone conversations with Glenda Stein, tape 4-5

G: Tell me something, you know what? You told me before that you’re the loneliest person
MJ: I am!
G: Then how can you be that way when there are so many people…
MJ: Because I don’t love those people like that! I want to be with someone…I want to know what a relationship is all about before I die, can’t you understand that girl? I never had… I mean I’ve been with Tate… I’ve been, well not with… I been with Tate.


G: Where did Tatum and that..what was that other girls…
MJ: Tate..I dealt with Tate when I was a little bit younger..She came up to me in a club..we were in a club..(she came up to me?) and she put her hand on mind and I couldn’t believe it (break in tape) [/EXPAND] [EXPAND “Growing Up In The Jackson Family” Latoya’s Autobio (pub. 1991)]

My brother had been as sheltered from the opposite sex as I was. He too believed that sex came after marriage, and marriage was the goal of dating. Up till then (1984) he’d had only one close friendship, with Tatum O’Neal in the late 1970s. Tatum, just fifteen then, was in some ways more sophisticated than Michael, running with an older, faster crowd. We always found it so strange that her father, actor Ryan O’Neal, regularly left her and her younger brother Griffin unsupervised for days at a time, but for them, and many kids in Hollywood, that was considered normal. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum speaks about Michael, VIBE magazine; June/July 1995]

I never worked with Michael, but he and I had a really wonderful friendship when I was 12 and he was 17. He used to dance with me, we’d talk on the phone all the time, and he’d say how funny it was that I was 12 and I could drive and he was older and couldn’t. Michael used to come to my house when I was living with my dad, and I remember him being so shy. Once he came into my bedroom, and he wouldn’t even sit on my bed. But another time when he was over, he played the drums, my brother played guitar, and someone else played another instrument, and we had a jam session. I had the tape of it, but I lost it somewhere.When I was 12, he asked me to go to the premiere of The Wiz with him, and my agent at the time said it wasn’t a good idea, maybe because they felt he wasn’t a big enough star yet. He never talked to me after that. I think he thought I just canceled, but it wasn’t me at all. I was a child doing what I was told. I want you to print that, because I don’t think he ever knew that. I lost touch with him because of it, so I don’t really know him anymore. But I love him; he’s one of the nicest, most innocent people I’ve ever met. I love “She’s out of My Life” because I think it describes our friendship at that time. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael speaks about Tatum, Rabbi Schmuley’s book, conversations in 2000/1 ]

MJ: Yes, my first girlfriend, Tatum O’Neal she’d won the Academy Award for Paper Moon… I was 16, she was 13. And I was very naiive. She wanted to do everything and I didn’t want to have sex at all, because there were a lot of valuses associated with being a Jehova Witness. I said, “are you crazy?” One of those was to be kind to everyone. When I held Tatum’s hand it was just magic, better than anything, kisisng her, anything. Her, Ryan O’Neal and myself went to this club and were watching a band and underneath a table she was holding my hand I was was melting. It was magical. There was fireworks going on. It was all I needed But that means nothing to kids today. She grew up too fast. She wasn’t into innocence, and I love that. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael speaks about Tatum to Bashir, Living With Michael Jackson, Aired 9th February 2003]

Asked about girlfriends, he spoke of Tatum O’Neal, “My first girlfriend who I really loved a lot”.

He said: “I remember her telling me to come over to her house in Beverly Hills, and what she’s going to do to me. All the sexual stuff. So I’m scared to death. Scared because I’d never done anything like that.

“I came over there trying to be Mr Big Shot and brave and I remember she cut out all the lights in bedroom, opened the curtains so you could see the whole skyline of the city over the cliffs. It was beautiful.

“And she told me to lie on the bed. And I did. She slowly walked over and she touched the button of my shirt to open it. I took my hands and I wouldn’t let them down. And she just walked away. She knew I was too shy for it.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum speaks about what Michael said to Bashir, E Online, Monday, 10th February, 2003,] Source

During a sit-down with Bashir, Jackson recounts how a young O’Neal tried to seduce him and steal his virginity. On Friday, O’Neal released a statement saying her heart goes out to the Moonwalker and his family but claims Jackson embellished on what was an innocent relationship. ‘I am just as shocked as everyone else from what I saw last night. I have a great deal of respect for Michael Jackson as an artist and as a person. However, he has a very vivid imagination. His comments about our friendship were inaccurate. Michael did come over to my house when my father was home, but at 12 years old, there was no way I was capable of being as mature or as sophisticated as he claimed I was.'”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal, Daily Herald, April 2003]


Then, reporters called asking about Michael Jackson’s claim in his February documentary that O’Neal seduced him when he visited her house in the 1980s. (“It was a huge lie,” she says). [/EXPAND] [EXPAND From Tatum O’Neal’s book “A Paper Life”, Oct 2004]

I met him at the On the Rox, the club Lou Adler & Jack Nicholson opened upstairs from the Roxy on the Sunset Strip. Michael was around 17 at the time, about 5 years older than me, & he seemed very sheltered & fearful & lonely–not at all what you’d expect a world-renowned performer to be. As I recall, he didn’t even know how to drive a car.

He gave me his number, and we started talking everyday–long drawn-out conversations that sometimes got so boring I would hand over the receiver to my friend Esme Gray. Michael would just keep on, thinking he was talking to me. His usual subject was sex. At 12 I didn’t have much to say about sex–all I knew was that it went on, pretty steadily, in my father’s room next to mine. But Michael was intensely curious about anything, everything sexual, though in an incredibly sweet & innocent way.

He was a huge star, but it seemed he barely even dated & knew little about life. He once came to my house and asked to come upstairs because he’d never been in a girl’s bedroom before. He sat on thebed, and we kissed very briefly, but it was terribly awkward. For all my passionate crushes on people like Dustin Hoffman, I was just 12 and not at all ready for a real-life encounter. So I said,’I can’t.’ Michael, who was sweating profusely, seemed as intimidated as I was. He jumped up nervously and said,’Uh, gotta go.’

That’s the closest I ever got to Michael, which is why I’m amazed by his recent claim on national TV that I’d seduced him but he was too shy to carry it through. I absolutely adored Michael–as a friend–and I admire him to this day. I believe that he fell in love with me. I’m told that he wrote the song “She’s Out of My Life” on his album Off the Wall for me. What an honor.

At the time of the supposed seduction, I was barely pubescent, and what I’d seen of sex so far was unappealling & gross. It may have been Michael’s fantasy that I’d seduce him–and it’s a little sad that he cast himself as failing, even in his dream–but it just didn’t happen.

Unfortunately, my friendship with Michael came to an abrupt ending. He’d played the Scarecrow in The Wiz, the urban remake of the Wizard of Oz, which starred Diana Ross as Dorothy. For the film’s premiere, Michael invited me to be his date. I asked my dad, who didn’t care one way or another if I went, but my talent agency was dead set against it. I was told, in exactly these words: ‘You can’t go to a premiere with a ni**er.’ Hollywood!

That upset me tremendously. Had I been old enough–or had I the parental support–I could have stood my ground & insisted ‘Oh yes, I can.’ But my father was too disengaged to help me think it through. So, without telling Michael the reason, I turned him down. He was devastated. After that Michael didn’t speak to me for years, until I ran into him at the Helmsley Palace in New York. For old times’ sake, we caught a concert together, Kool and the Gang at Madison Square Garden. Michael dressed in full costume for the event–coming in blackface, with a pasted-on beard–the whole nine yards. But things were never the same between us.”[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal, Newsweek, October 25, 2004]

You were friends with Michael Jackson. When your boys were little, would you have let them stay over at Neverland?

Absolutely not. Are you kidding?

So do you think he’s guilty?

Ah, Jesus juice… I really don’t know. I don’t understand why he would have little children around all the time. He’s guilty of being a completely misguided soul in the world. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Joe talks about Tatum and Michael’s relationship, Joe Jackson’s autobiography (roughly translated from German), 2004

In 1984, my son already had had a few girlfriends. Everyone knows that he and Tatum O’Neal kissed at a party in the Playboy mension. Tatum was his first love. Then there was Brooke Shields, but she was too young then, and Michael was always a gentleman. He nevertheless courted her and bought her a ring with a big diamond. He frequently told his mother about how much Brooke meant to him.

Tatum, Brooke and Michael had a lot in common. All three were child stars.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal is speaking out about the death of her fellow former child star Michael Jackson, June 2009 ]

“The world lost two unbelievable talents in one day. There are no words that can express the sadness I feel in my heart. My condolences go out to his family,” she told ET exclusively.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum Attends Memorial, Hiphopweekly, July 7th 2009 ]

Two of Michael’s former dates, Brooke Shields and Tatum O’Neal, showed support of their childhood buddy along with other celebrities, including Dionne Warwick, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant and BET’s Debra Lee and Stephen Hill. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal, The Daily Beast, June 15th 2011]

Farrah and Michael Jackson passed away the same day. That’s a pretty full-circle thing for you, to have your first “public” boyfriend and your father’s great love that sort of drove a wedge between you two, pass at the same time.

[Michael] was somebody I knew and I did go on a date with, but I don’t know about my first “public boyfriend.” Let’s call that the media’s take on my first “public boyfriend.” First of all, how sad to lose two fucking icons. Secondly, it sort of canceled Farrah out a little bit because she didn’t get the moment that I think she deserved and could have had. At the same time, this is life, man. This isn’t about who’s going to get the better farewell.

It’s interesting, because you say in your book that your father was disapproving of all your boyfriends except for Michael Jackson. He said he knew how much Michael “adored” you.

He liked Michael Jackson but he likes famous people. He’s that guy. But I don’t think he wanted me to have any dates the same way I didn’t want him to have any dates. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal say she made out with Michael on Howard Stern, June 15th 2011 ]


Howard: Ever make out with…
Tatum: Michael Jackson? Yes.
Howard: So you did make out with Michael Jackson?
Tatum: (laughing) Yes. Uh-huh.
Howard: Now that’s weird.
Tatum: Sorry. That’s not weird, come on, that’s lucky. A lot of people would want to make out with him, it was before had all that face work done, come on.
Howard: But I thought you said he was kind of scared…
Tatum: He was scared… he had a big half… (gets interrupted)
Howard: Of course he was scared, he was a homosexual man.
Tatum: Was he? Is that what you think? He was in love with Diana Ross and I know that that was real. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tatum O’Neal on twitter, June 17th 2011 ]

jermjackson5 Jermaine Jackson
I’m sure @Tatum_Oneal meant well. She was otherwise kind about Michael, but this myth is upsetting

Tatum_Oneal Tatum O’Neal
@NitashaNath Michael jackson was the sweetest person in the entire world.x

Tatum_Oneal Tatum O’Neal
@mimimjfan I met Michael the first time when I was 13. But we were friends for a long time. X

Tatum_Oneal Tatum O’Neal
And I want to stand on my bed and start cheering.that I have not received a cruel tweet from an MJ fan in 10 whole mins. Yay yay yay

jermjackson5 Jermaine Jackson
@Tatum_Oneal Pls RT this: Michael was fit & well, ready to rock the world again. then his life was taken. “addiction” nothing to do with it

jermjackson5 Jermaine Jackson
@Tatum_Oneal I didn’t intend for ugliness either. I intended to clarify. so ur RTs of Chinese Whispers from the media educated hardly help

Tatum_Oneal Tatum O’Neal
@jermjackson5. Your very welcome. I had no intention of starting any kind controversy. He was beloved by me as well. Tatum peace

jermjackson5 Jermaine Jackson
@Tatum_Oneal thank you for that retweet, Tatum. best of luck with your show

JakkiB Jakki Byrne
@IAMAARONCARTER Should be part of the education system along with @Tatum_Oneal as leading examples of WHY Not to do drugs!!! #Fail

Tatum_Oneal Tatum O’Neal
@JakkiB I totally agree

what do you feel when you first time met michael?

Tatum_Oneal Tatum O’Neal
[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Ryan O’Neal mentions Michael and Tatum, on Piers Morgan, June 19th 2011 ]

MORGAN: This is a tape.
MORGAN: Your brother said that your father gave him drugs when he was, I think, 11. Did he do that to you?
T. O’NEAL: You’ll have to ask him.
MORGAN: Why are you reluctant to say?
T. O’NEAL: Because we have a show we’re doing and I don’t want to say incriminating that are going to make it harder to kind of make peace and have a healing. Every time I kind of bring up the bad stuff, it just doesn’t go towards making a healing and getting us to a better place. I know for sure my dad made a lot of mistakes. I’m sure that he’s living with them today.
O’NEAL: Now, she’s been saying that for 25 years. She can’t stop saying it. Why? Why does she do that? It’s because she needs a reason for why she collapsed. Why her career and her marriage, her children, they all went south. Why did that happen? Because I had a terrible childhood. She had a wonderful childhood. She met Queen Elizabeth. She traveled the world. She was a millionairess by the time she was 12.
MORGAN: Does that make you —
O’NEAL: It doesn’t hurt, OK.
MORGAN: Doesn’t it?
O’NEAL: It doesn’t hurt, no.
MORGAN: Can it?
O’NEAL: She had a career. She had a picture. She had everything she wanted. She danced with Michael Jackson. He called every night. She was a happy camper. OK? [/EXPAND] [EXPAND “Found: A Daughter’s Journey Home,” Tatum O’Neal, released June 14th 2011 ]

When I was a teenager, I discovered that some people, mostly women, befriended me to get to Ryan. That was an eye-opener, and I discovered that there was a safety in people who were already known or successful on their own terms. When I dated Andy Gibb and Michael Jackson, I know they weren’t going out with me because of who I was. They didn’t need me. The same was true with John.


Then he added “You were sixteen, then seventeen, and you were going through all kinds of changes that I wasn’t comfortable with. I didn’t quite understand all this growth-hormone stuff. The boyfriends. Michael Jackson adored you. That was all right with me. But nobody else. ” This was my father, not the all-powerful god I worshiped as a child but a young man saddled with an adolescent daughter he didn’t understand. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jermaine talks about Michael and Tatum’s relationship, “You Are Not Alone” by Jermaine Jackson, released Septemeber 2011 ]

The secluded privacy of [my ranch/beach house] appealed to [Michael]. That was presumably what appealed to my neighbors, too: actors Ryan O’Neal (four doors down) and Beau Bridges (directly next door). It was during my morning runs on the beach that I used to wave at Ryan’s daughter, Tatum, as she stood on the balcony. She was a 13 year old child star at the time, having won an Oscar at the age of 10 for Best Supporting Actress in Paper Moon. I told Michael there was “this real pretty girl” living nearby and, coincidentally, he started showing up at the beach house more and more at weekends. But here’s the ironic thing: they waved at each other but never spoke until they bumped into one another in a club on Sunset Strip.

“It’s meant to be,” I joked.

“It’s nothing, we’re just friends,” he said, playing down its importance. But it was obvious from Tatum’s visits to Hayvenhurst that they were boyfriend and girlfriend. She was clearly smitten and he was giddy around her, but Michael was guarded about when and where he saw her. I don’t remember one visit to Malibu when he left my house to see her, or they met at the beach. Which seemed odd, but Michael’s sense of privacy and discretion, even among his siblings, was notable.

I am aware that Tatum has publicly distanced herself from being Michael’s childhood sweetheart, but I don’t think my brother suggested that they shared a blazing passionate love affair. It was nothing but puppy love. But what matters is that, in my brother’s heart and mind, Tatum was his first girlfriend. [/EXPAND] mjfacts.info, desiree speaks

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Michael Jackson Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992

According to Michael’s friends Michael Jackson reportedly proposed to a woman around 1989-1992. There isn’t very much specific information about this woman available, but all the info compiled here seems consistent with this possible relationship.

[EXPAND Michael Caught Browsing Rings In Disguise, Lewiston Morning Tribune, May 1st 1989 ]


Youtube footage of Michael shopping.

Simi Valley, California – Police who surrounded a jewelry store after employees reported a suspicious person casing the joint were stunned to learn the wigged man was pop superstar Michael Jackson in disguise.

In addition to the wig, the Grammy Award winning singer was wearing a fake mustache, false teeth and eyelashes while shopping for rings at Sycamore Plaza here with a 12 year old boy Monday afternoon.

The two went into Zales Jewelers and aroused the suspicion of the store manager, said HN Edwards, a security guard for the shopping center in this city 30 miles northest of downtown Los Angeles. Three squad cars were sent to the store.

“I asked him, ‘Why are you wearing a false mustache?'” Edwards said. “He said, ‘I have to – I’m in disguise – I’m Michael Jackson.’ When he told me this, my first thought was this guy had gotten off the elevator between floors.”

Police Sgt Ken Tacke and Officer Gordon Weeks said they questioned Jackson, and asked him to remove his disguise and show his identification. He complied.

“He old the police he has to wear a disguise when he goes shopping or he would be mobbed by crowds,” Edwards said.

After Jackson signed autographs, he and the boy drove off in a late model Mercedes Benz. [/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Michael’s Reading Material While In Hospital, Jermaine Jackson, June 1990]

In “You Are Not Alone,” by Jermaine Jackson

“I noticed two books on his bedside table: one about marriage and divorce, the other about taxes.”



[EXPAND Remember The Time Draft Written On The Back Of A Clock, 12th August 1990]

Michael Jackson Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992, Liza Minnelli, diamond ring, pre-raphaelites, secret girlfriends

Michael’s words:

Do you remember
On that summer night
When I gave you that ring



[EXPAND Teddy Riley Says He Knows But Wouldn’t Publicly Disclose Who Remember The Time Was About, Hiphopwired and Billy Bush, July 2009 ]

Teddy Riley, HipHopwired, July 8th 2009

“I was always that friend he could’ve said anything to. He expressed a lot of his most deepest concerns and feelings about a lot of things. I know some personal relationships that he has gone through, female relationships and different things like that but I would never disclose that. That’s the stuff that I know.“

Teddy Riley on Billy Bush’s radio show, 25th November 2009

Teddy R: When we were working on RTT. We actually stopped. We played the music. That was actually the fifth song, the fifth track I played for him. He stops me and I thought I would be kicked off the project. He took me to the back. I thought he was going to lecture me you know, like saying that I did this cord wrong or something. He was like: “Play that on the piano”. And he took me to the back just to see if I play. I played it on the piano and he said: “That melody, everything. Everything is just great about this song. And what I want to do to this, is it to be full of love.” He said, “I can’t tell you who I’m writing this about, but I know this is going to be a second single.” He said this while we were playing the track.

Billy Bush pipes in and asks Teddy if MJ ever told him who he wrote the song about.

Teddy: No. No, I know who it’s for, but I can’t say (laughs)

Billy Bush:

Teddy: I would never. I mean, we’re close but even when we signed a um disclosure agreement and everything, he said, “You can talk about it,” and I’m like no I would never talk about it. It’s like a secret I would keep for my book. [/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Michael’s poem on the back of a painting, Valentine’s Day, 14th February 1991]

Michael Jackson Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992, Liza Minnelli, diamond ring, pre-raphaelites, secret girlfriends

I still can feel you with me
Even though your [sic] far above
I love you so completely
You are my only love
– 2. 14. 1991



[EXPAND Brenda Richie on twitter, March 2019]

Lionel Richie’s ex wife and mother to Nicole Richie on twitter, 13th March 2019:

“I know of a women Michael proposed to in 1991 but she was not an artist from Oakland! Yes, African American!”



[EXPAND Michael Jackson In A Taped Conversation With Sam Stein, “You gotta go find out,” “You can’t be completely totally alone,” September 1990 – September 1991]

Tape 3.1

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? You can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…] S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [(i).. hidden behind the curtain, very overwhelming?) ] MJ: It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies.

S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so[/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Song About A Secret Relationship, In The Closet, written and produced in 1991]

“In The Closet”

[Princess Stephanie of Monaco] There’s Something
I Have To Say To You
If You Promise You’ll
I Cannot Contain Myself
When In Your Presence
I’m So Humble
Touch Me
Don’t Hide Our Love
Woman To Man

[Michael] She’s Just A Lover
Who’s Doin’ Me By
It’s Worth The Giving
It’s Worth The Try
You Cannot Cleave It
Or Put It In The Furnace
You Cannot Wet It
You Cannot Burn It

She Wants To Give It
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
Dare Me
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
She Wants To Give It
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)

It’s Just A Feeling
You Have To Soothe It
You Can’t Neglect It
You Can’t Abuse It
It’s Just Desire
You Cannot Waste It
Then, If You Want It
Then, Won’t You Taste It

She Wants To Give It
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
Dare Me
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
She Wants To Give It
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)

[Princess Stephanie of Monaco] One Thing In Life
You Must Understand
The Truth Of Lust
Woman To Man
So Open The Door
And You Will See
There Are No Secrets
Make Your Move
Set Me Free

[Michael] Because There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You
I Swear There’s Something
About You Baby

Just Promise Me
Whatever We Say
Or Whatever We Do
To Each Other
For Now We’ll Make A Vow
To Just
Keep It In The Closet

If You Can Get It
It’s Worth A Try
I Really Want It
I Can’t Deny
It’s Just Desire
I Really Love It
[Princess Stephanie of Monaco] ‘Cause If It’s Aching
You Have To Rub It

[Michael] She Wants To Give It
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
She Wants To Give It
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)
(She Wants To Give It)
(Aahh, She Wants To Give It)

[Princess Stephanie of Monaco] Just Open The Door
And You Will See
This Passion Burns
Inside Of Me
Don’t Say To Me
You’ll Never Tell
Touch Me There
Make The Move
Cast The Spell

[Michael] Because There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You
I Swear There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want

Just Promise Me
Whatever We Say
Or Do To Each Other
For Now We’ll Make
A Vow To Just
Keep It In The Closet

Because There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You
Because There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You

I Swear There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You

I Swear There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You

I Swear There’s Something
About You Baby
That Makes Me Want
To Give It To You

Somethin’ About You Baby
That Makes Me Want

Just Promise Me
Whatever We Say
Or Whatever We Do To
Each Other
For Now We’ll Make A Vow
To Just
Keep It In The Closet

(She Wants To Give It)
Dare Me
Keep It In The Closet …



[EXPAND Michael Confided In Kit That He Had Someone In Mind To Marry Circa 1992, “Lost Boys” by Kit Culkin]

“I still remember a couple of things that Michael had to say to me about a year or two following my first coming to know him [in 1990]. The first had to do with the possibility of his one day having children of his own. I may have been the one to put the question, or openly wonder, simply out of a general interest as to what he would have to say (I can no longer remember), but I do recall him telling me that he was thinking of getting married, and his adding (almost furtively) that he actually had someone in mind. I recall further that in my own mind my own business sort of way (New Yorker as I can never help but be) I didn’t take the bait and ask. “Who?”: but even if I had, I rather suspect that he wouldn’t have confided in me (although I could be wrong). [/EXPAND]


[EXPAND “Two Birds” by Michael Jackson, Story About A Secret Relationship, Dancing the Dream, published June 18, 1992]


It’s hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven’t ever met you, and no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery? Let’s give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on. Two birds fly through the air. One’s song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It’s easy to guess which bird I am, but they’ll never find you. Unless…

Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for![/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Michael Jackson in Taped Conversation With Glenda Stein, “Or when you called me and told me that you were gonna get married,” sometime mid 1992]
Tape 2.5

Glenda: (laugh) Or when you called me and told me that you were gonna get married. I thought that I had given you all the wrong advice, I thought, “Oh my god!”
Michael and Glenda: (Loud laughter)
Michael: I forgot all about that!
Glenda: “What did I saaay?! I didn’t mean to!” Yeah, we’ve done a lot in this short period of time, haven’t we?
Michael: Yeah. That was funny now that I think about it, at the time[/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Michael and The Nymphs, Brett Strong Painting, Commissioned Early 1993]

Michael Jackson Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992, Liza Minnelli, diamond ring, pre-raphaelites, secret girlfriendsMichael Jackson Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992, Liza Minnelli, diamond ring, pre-raphaelites, secret girlfriends, Brett Livingstone

Based on the pre-Raphaelite Waterhouse painting on the right:

Waterhouse’s “Hylas and the Nymphs” brings to life a version of the Greek myth, Jason and the Argonauts, as told by William Morris in The Life and Death of Jason. In Morris’ version, Hercules is left on the island of Lemnos after his companion, the handsome Hylas, wanders away from the ship. Hylas comes across a group of sea-nymphs who, enchanted by his beauty, seduce him into loving them, eventually dragging him into the sea water with them. The Argo leaves Hercules and Hylas behind on the island, and Hylas is never found.[/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Michael Painted As The Lady Of Shalott And With Drowning Ophelia, Two Depictions of Unrequited Love, Paintings by Brett Livingstone, 1994]

Michael Jackson And Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992, Liza Minnelli, diamond ring, pre-raphaelites, secret girlfriends, Brett Livingstone

Lady of Shalott, Pre-Raphaelite Waterhouse painting

Tells the story of Lady Shalott who had an unrequited love for Sir Lancelot:

The work is a representation of a scene from Lord Alfred Tennyson’s 1832 poem of the same name, in which the poet describes the plight of a young woman (loosely based on Elaine of Astolat, who yearned with an unrequited love for the knight Sir Lancelot) isolated under an undisclosed curse in a tower near King Arthur’s Camelot.

Drowning Ophelia, Pre-Raphaelite John Everett Millais painting:

Michael Jackson And Proposal To African Oakland Artist 1989-1992, Liza Minnelli, diamond ring, pre-raphaelites, secret girlfriends, John Everett Millias

Portrays Ophelia from Shakespeare’s Hamlet, after she had committed suicide because her love for Hamlet went unrequited.



[EXPAND Michael Was Considering Marrying an Artist With An “African Type Name,” Flo Anthony, facebook, 12th August 2011]

“I do know he dated an artist from the Oakland, California area in the 90s who he was considering marrying. She had one of those African type names.”



[EXPAND Michael Showed Liza The Ring He Had Gotten Her, Liza Minnelli, Daily Mail, 27th September 2011] She sighs. ‘I remember he was going with this girl and he was so in love with her. He came to show me the ring he’d bought for her. I asked him what he was going to say and he didn’t know. So I said: “Let’s rehearse,” and that’s what we did.

‘But the girl turned him down. She said she wasn’t ready to commit right now. She told him to ask again in six months. And it all but killed him. He was heartbroken. I knew all his girlfriends including Lisa Marie who became his wife.’[/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Liza Minnelli Confirms It Isn’t Anyone Famous, Twitter, September 2011]

No, it wasn’t Brooke Shields. I don’t feel at liberty to divulge the identity of the girl, but no, it wasn’t even anyone famous. [/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Flo Anthony says she believes they were actually engaged, MJ Preservation Project radio show, January 22nd 2012 ]

Flo Anthony on the MJ Preservation Project Radio Show, 22nd Jan 2012

Q: There was a tabloid story in the early 90s about a security guard that supposedly stole I guess, a photo of Mike in his hot tub with two women and I wondered if there was any truth to that story. And I also wanted to ask about Liza Minnelli, she came out a few months ago and saying that Mike had proposed to somebody in the early 90s and she turned him down…
Flo Anthony: I don’t remember a hot tub picture but he had a lot of hot tubs so that could be true. And Liza wasn’t saying that he proposed to her, was she?
Q: No no –
Flo: You know I thought that he was actually engaged to this chick that lived in the Bay area of California, that was an artist.
Q: Oh the Oakland –
Flo: So I thought they were actually engaged.
Q: Oh and what happened? Did she —
Flo: I don’t know what happened, then they broke up. But I always thought they were actually engaged. In fact, if Candace goes back in her archives I believe I said that on the Joan Rivers show. She had one of those funny African American names, Yatzibazi or something like that, I don’t really remember the girl’s name, but it was one of those type names.

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Michael Jackson and Sheila

Florence Anthony says her friend Sheila dated Michael and went to Disneyland with him in 1978, Michael Jackson Preservation Radio Show, 7th August 2011

Florence: I originally met [his family] in 1977 at Disneyworld in Orlando Florida.

“Were you doing what you were doing at that time?”

Florence: Oh I was a kid. I was at Disneyworld just like they were at Disneyworld and they were in line, just like I was in line. LaToya later told me that was her first time. And the kids were like, “Flo, that’s Michael Jackson,” and I said, “No, that’s not Michael Jackson” and they said “Flo, it’s Michael Jackson” and I turned around and it was Michael Jackson. So I was like, “Everybody just calm down and see if we could take some pictures.” So we took the pictures and the rest is kind of history.”

Q: “Michael wasn’t in disguise when you met him?”

Florence: No no, Mike was in line like everybody else. And later on, a friend of mine that he used to go with, Sheila, she went to Disneyworld with him not long after that, I would say maybe a year and a half, two years after that, and he wasn’t in disguise at all. He would mainly put on disguises when he would hand out JW pamphlets and stuff, but other than that he wasn’t in disguise.

Q: “You said he used to go with Sheila?”

Florence: Yeah, a friend of mine, Sheila, used to go with Mike and she went to Disneyworld with him, I’d say about a year and a half – that was about 77 so it was about 78, 79, when they went to Disney after that and I mean, he was a great great fan of Disneyworld and so he was there often throughout his life. Even after the kids were born he would go, back then I can’t think of the first… ’cause that’s when they had the Magic Kingdom, so I can’t quite think of the hotel he stayed in but after that he would mainly stay at the Dolphin and the Swan, because he liked the paddle boats that they had and then after that his favorite hotel was the Grand Floridian.

Confirms they dated on her facebook, August 2011

Florence Anthony:

• Yes. My friend Sheila dated Mike.

There was speculation on forums that it might be a lady named Sheila Eldridge and then on November 2nd 2011 someone shared this photo of her with the Jacksons in 1978 on facebook showing that they did in fact meet, further fueling suspicions it is the right lady:

Michael Jackson and Sheila, Sheila Eldridge, Michael Jackson, Jacksons, Flo Anthony

Flo Anthony on the MJ Preservation Project Radio Show, 22nd Jan 2012

Q: I wanted to know more about this woman he was dating…
Flo: He had a lot of girlfriends so you can’t just go into one. Michael had a lot of girlfriends. I don’t know why people don’t realize that. And uh, due to her privacy and she’s still around and kicking, I won’t go into all that, but he had a lot of girlfriends.
Q: So why do you think the media portrayed him as such an innocent person when he had so many women?
Flo: Well because he wasn’t seen much with any women other than Debbie and Lisa Marie. And before that, Brooke Shields, that’s why. But he had a lot of girls.
Q: Was that purposeful?
Flo: Um I don’t know, I guess so, since it worked.
Q: Did he want to maintain his privacy or their privacy or…
Flo: He did want to maintain privacy. I don’t know so much within there, but he did want to maintain privacy.

I know you can’t talk about Sheila to respect her privacy and I respect that.
Flo: I don’t believe I ever said her name, did I?
Q: I think you did say Sheila, but –
Flo: I did? Okay.
Q: But what we wanted to find out – because people said –
Flo: You have a tape that I did say her name?
Q: Uhh…
Flo: I don’t think I did.
Q: I think you might have said it.
[MJ Preservation Project girls play the tape of her talking about Sheila the first time] Flo: (laughing) Gotcha! You outted me. Okay.
Q: (laughing) We weren’t trying to out you, but there was so much controversy over that. Because people were confused when you said, “Go with” they weren’t sure if –
Flo: “Go with” – I’m old school.
Q: They dated.
Flo: They dated, yes.
Q: Oh, okay, that was it. And I guess people had heard about this, and people wanted to believe that he didn’t date a whole bunch of people or you know, what ever the case may be, so you may have rocked a few people’s world, when you said that.

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Michael Jackson Neverland Jacuzzi Photos

Michael Jackson, Neverland, Jacuzzi, Photos, News Of The World, 1992

Outdoor jacuzzi at Neverland

News reports surfaced that photos of Michael Jackson in a jacuzzi with two unidentified women had been offered to News of The World for £60,000, but that Michael had threatened to sue if they were published.

[EXPAND Jackson’s Sex Snaps Stolen, News Of The World, May 24th 1992]

SENSATIONAL photos of Michael Jackson romping with naked women are being offered for sale by one of his former aides.

A former aide of Michael’s had swiped the pictures out of a security camera at Michael’s luxury ranch, which showed him fondling a topless woman in a jacuzzi.

The former aide was selling the pictures along with a home video of Michael and Macaulay Culkin, and another set of pictures showing Michael doing a “bizarre” dance with the bones of the elephant man. The former aide was once one of Michael’s closest friends.

Others are said to feature the star, who has never had a serious girlfriend, in a clinch with a nude woman – apparently unaware he is being filmed.

The News of the World this week turned down an offer to buy the snaps for £60,000.

The snaps are thought to have been copied from film swiped out security cameras at the eccentric star’s 2,700 – acre California ranch. Ironically the cameras are there to protect Jackson, who is obsessive about privacy.

Jackson tried to buy the skeleton of hideously deformed John Merrick – played by John Hurt in the film the Elephant Man – for £1 million from a London hospital. But his offer was rebuffed and the star had a replica built.

The elephant man bones replica/dance they seem to be talking about is from the set of Leave Me Alone

Michael Jackson, Neverland, Jacuzzi, Photos, News Of The World, Leave Me Alone, 1992

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jackson’s secrets may be exposed, Nationwide News Pty Limited, May 25th 1992 ] The Advertiser

May 25, 1992 Monday
Jackson’s secrets may be exposed


LENGTH: 96 words

MICHAEL JACKSON usually leads a reclusive life at his luxury ranch, but some of the mystery may soon be exposed. A former associate of pop’s megastar is trying to sell photos of Jackson romping with naked women. The News of the World reported that some pictures show Jackson fondling a topless girl in a jacuzzi at his ranch. The newspaper turned down an offer to buy the photos for $138,000. Also included in the package was a video of Home Alone child star Macaulay Culkin at the ranch and photos of him doing a bizarre dance with a skeleton of the Elephant Man.


LOAD-DATE: September 27, 2003


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Copyright 1992 Nationwide News Pty Limited [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Thief Nabs Photos Of Jackson’s Hot Tub Romp With Two Gals!: Secret Home Video Shatters Star’s Mr. Clean Image, Globe Magazine, June 6th 1992 ]

Michael Jackson Neverland Jacuzzi Photos

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND ‘Jackson Touchy-Feely In The Jacuzzi” South African paper the Rapport, June 1992 ]

Former employees of Michael Jackson are in possession of steamy photographs of the singer taken in the jacuzzi of his California ranch and are threatening to sell the pictures and shatter his squeaky clean image.

The photographs were taken from CCTV footage at Michael’s Neverland ranch and show the singer in the jacuzzi with two naked women. The one photograph shows the singer touching one of the women’s breasts.
A source said: “These cameras were installed for Michael’s protection and now look at what has happened.”

The guards are asking for $100 000 for the pics. Michael says he will sue if they are ever published. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Flo Anthony Asked About These Photos, MJ Preservation Project Radio Show, 22nd Jan 2012 ]

Flo Anthony on the MJ Preservation Project Radio Show, 22nd Jan 2012

Q: There was a tabloid story in the early 90s about a security guard that supposedly stole I guess, a photo of Mike in his hot tub with two women and I wondered if there was any truth to that story. And I also wanted to ask about Liza Minnelli, she came out a few months ago and saying that Mike had proposed to somebody in the early 90s and she turned him down…
Flo Anthony: I don’t remember a hot tub picture but he had a lot of hot tubs so that could be true. [/EXPAND] Michael Jackson Neverland jacuzzi photos

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Glenda Tape Transcript 2-2

Glenda Tape 2-2, right click to download

This part seems to be after Dangerous is released in 1991/early 92

MJ:That I’m lonely and stuff. I say that on a lot of tunes.
G: You say it in that um – and I love that song – Who Is It.
MJ: “Don’t you know that I am lonely?” I say that.
G: Yeah.
MJ: I say that in a lot of songs. I say it in, um, Will You Be There.
G: You also say “don’t be judging”.
MJ: I say what?
G: “Don’t be judging,” at the end of Who Is It.
MJ: Yeah, don’t be, don’t be, don’t be judging…
MJ: You know I thought when I first started talking to you—there’s a real sense of close – “She’s not gonna be a dim wit.”
G: (laughs)
MJ: You know and it’s like, God, “She understands me. She hasn’t been through what I been through. I mean, she has, but… She doesn’t like gossip.” There is no judgment there.
G: Well, I thought you were drawn to me because, um, you realized– that I was very protective at first.
MJ: I was drawn to you because you were very accepting of me. You were accepting. And interest… intri-
G: What is that?
MJ: Interesting intri…
G: Intrigued?
MJ: Intriqued… interest
G: En… eccentric?
MJ: Interest
G: What?
MJ: Intracentric
G: I don’t even know that word!
MJ: Nevermind then. You know, like I said, “If you don’t have money, you’re called queer, if you have money, you’re called (“eccentric” word again). If…
G: (laughs)
MJ: And I thought, you know, you just accepted me no matter what.
G: I did! And I do! I still do.


(This part seems to take place sometime during the Bad tour)

MJ: The other day, after my video came out.. I don’t know what happened. They kicked me out of the trailer with my own band and stuff. And I’m on tour and stuff. Traveling with my (I) people and stuff like that. And —  “Who was that”?—ya know, it was like– I don’t associate with them. Only if there’s a rehearsal, or I have to be on stage. When we’re back in the hotel room. I don’t associate, really, with those people.
G: Not any of them?
MJ: No, I don’t associate with them. I stay off to myself.
G: Why? Isn’t there anybody you could be real close to?
MJ: No. I feel uncomfortable – it’s like… okay, “This is my band, we got Michael here, we got so-and-so.”
G: (Started, interrupted by Michael)
MJ: “We got Sheryl, we got, you know, Jennifer.” And, I just don’t associate with people.
G: Do you, um? Okay. Maybe is it hard for you to (sigh) to be so open?
MJ: I just–
G: In a way, in a way, and to be looking at someone in the face or having someone look at you in the face cause you don’t want them to… ’cause
MJ: You know what, I don’t want them to get close and I don’t want them to see in my soul. And then I deal with this anorexia thing… I feel sad.
G: Don’t, Michael. You look really good. (Silence) You look really good.
MJ: (After a silence- very low, strained) I don’t look good. I (I)
G: (I)


(Sometime after Latoya posed for Playboy)

MJ: Joseph used to beat us all the time and… (inaudible) dance… would… He would, he would just… get to me. And I bought into that, he was like, “Oh you put on a few pounds.” The only thing that I could control in my life, what with Motown… ’cause they tell you- in the interviews, when we used to go on Carson or Mike Douglas or whatever back then, when we used to do interviews as the Jackson Five, you know when you’re in this kind of business they kinda like, they like…okay, girl… “Do you have a girlfriend?” “No.” Do this… You know got, it’s like, they dictate to you everything. What you wear, what you sing. ‘Cause back then we weren’t allowed to sing our own stuff and do our own stuff. They dictate to you what you can wear… If you’re on an interview, if you’re going on Carson, “This is what you say, this is what don’t say.” The only control I had over my life was eating. I had no control. We had no control. *clears throat* I didn’t, I didn’t… I wasn’t like my brothers. People, they’re angry and they take it out on others. I was angry and hurt, and I took it out on myself. And being brought up with Joseph and stuff like that… when we were rehearsing on 2300- where we used to live. It’s like, If I danced wrong, if I sang the wrong note, I’d get the hell beat out of me, I’d get thrown in the basement. So instead of taking that out on other people, I withdrew and I’d take it out on myself. There was nothing I could control in my life but my eating. And Joseph told me, “Oh, you’re… oh you have such a big nose.”
G: He told you you were too [i]?
MJ: Yes. When I was little. “You look so [i], you don’t look like my child. Your nose is so big,” and this and that. They used to call me Big Nose and stuff. And instead of retaliating on them, I just did it with myself.
G: Michael? Are you happy with your face?
MJ: Yeah. I’m happy with my face and stuff.
G: Are you happy you did all that surgery?
MJ: Yeah. Because I don’t wanna look like “(I)”[like that? Like him?] G: Well, you don’t? (laughs)
MJ: I mean, people tell me, “Oh, yeah, you’re really Janet”. Or “Oh, (low voice) before LaToya posed nude.” Sayin’ “Toya and you is the same person and stuff.”
G: Who said that? (laughs)
MJ: Oh, god, it was in the media!
G: That’s just bad.
MJ: Toya even wrote that in Playboy. She said, “Well, at least I can put the rumor to rest that Michael and I aren’t the same person.”
G: (Laughs)
MJ: And showin’ her breasts and stuff like that. Then they say, “Janet and Michael are the same person.”
G: (chuckle) That’s crazy.

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Michael Jackson and Jocelyne Danchick

Photos with credit to Jocelyne Danchick’s blog:

The Mirror, 29th June 2009

Love first touched Michael at the tender age of 11 – when a schoolgirl as lonely and shy as he was helped him get over the snubs of other kids.

Jocelyne Danchick was the same age and the only person to befriend the Jackson 5 singer at Hollywood’s Gardner Street Elementary School in 1970.

The successful choreographer spoke for the first time about her friendship for the boy king by revealing: “We had the biggest crush on each other.”

And Jocelyne smiled: “Of course, at 11 we didn’t smooch all the time. But there was lots of flirting.

“He was timid but the sweetest, funniest kid. And though we never declared our love – you don’t at that age – we both had feelings.”

Jocelyne, now happily married and with her own dance company in France, herself felt out of place at school – until Michael arrived.

She explained: “My mom was a fashion designer with lots of wild friends like Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix.

“I never fitted in and it was the same for Michael when he moved from Gary, Indiana, to LA after he and his brothers signed for Motown. The other kids ignored him because of his fame and quietness- and me because I was a shy flower child.

“So while we weren’t in the same class, we still felt a connection and just hit it off. You know what first love is like. We both had twinkles in our eyes.

“Posing for our end of school picture, he even got me to stand right behind him.

“He really proved his sweetness, though, when we had to sing in front of our parents before we moved on to high school. I didn’t want to embarrass Michael by being out of tune. But he nudged me and squeezed my hand to let me know it was OK.”

The two lost touch when Michael went off on tour.

But a year later, as Jocelyne and her family were leaving for a new life in Europe, they ran into each other. She said: “I never expected that would be the last time I’d see him.”

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Michael Jackson and Joanelle Romero

Seen in first picture with her daughter Sage; other photos of Sage and Michael on the BoW set

[EXPAND Joanelle Romero shares her story of going to school with Michael in 1970, him asking her to “go steady” with her back then, and then working on the Black or White video together ]

On June 25th 2009, I was packing and moving out of a house we had lived in for 6 years and an acquaintance phoned me and said Michael Jackson is dead, turn on the TV.I dropped the phone, turned on the television and there it all was, I fainted, no one was home with me. I woke and cried and cried and I am still crying. My heart is so broken; you see Michael was a friend and he believed in me. I’ve known Michael since I was 10 years old, we went to school together at Gardner Street school off of Sunset Blvd, we were in the 6th grade together. I was always invited to go to his house to play, he would swing me in this big tree swing and we would speak of our dreams. Michael asked me to go steady on the steps of Gardener Street school. Two weeks before school ended my mother sent me to live with my dad in NM. I never got to say goodbye to Michael.

One week before Michael left this earth, my son and I were shopping at Nordstrom’s, and we run into Jermaine. I asked him to please tell Michael I needed to see him, that I needed to visit, that it was important and I gave him my new numbers. God works in mysterious ways.

In 1991, I launched my production company, it was 2 weeks old when I received a call from Michaels casting office, asking if I had any American Indian dancers because everyone he had been interviewing wasn’t right. I told them “I have the best dancers in town” I really had no one, however I went to many Pow wows and gathered 30 dancers, one of them being my precious daughter Sage. She was 5 then. Michaels casting office had no idea that Michael and I knew each other. To make a long story short. Director John Landis, cast 5 dancers, my daughter – who was the jingle dress dancer, and four other dancers from the native community here in Los Angeles that I brought in that day.

Michael shot 7 hours of photos of Sage while shooting his video and used her image for his painted angels in his Neverland ranch. We had so much fun while filming. Michael, Sage and I watched “Willie Wonka” 3 times while everybody had to wait on set. Michael took Sage and Nancy Reagan to lunch, he had asked if I wanted to go however I declined for obvious reasons. Many stories to remember …..

We had shot the segment of the native dancers in the studio, then Michael read one of my music video scripts and one week later we were on location re-shooting the native segment out-side. Due to Michael’s insight, he added my production company and shared the press in Entertainment Weekly.

Michael became the leading force in making my company known to the world. It is now an award-winning production company in producing American Indian documentaries and independent films. The 1991 “Black or White” music video and song made history. I was able to negotiate for the American Indian dancers to be paid over and above any dancers on any music video ever, due to the fact they were traditionally dressed (the wardrobe did not come from western costume). To date, they are the highest paid dancers in the music video industry. Also, this segment was the first clip of American Indian dancers in a music video without being a Native American music group/artist.

On our opening night of our 2009 Red Nation Film Festival – A Night of Tribute Awards, we honored Michael Jackson for his “Black or White” Music Video – In Loving Memory of Michael Jackson. I have many personal stories about Michael and that I will keep in my heart forever. I am not going to spend my life being a color, I am a Human Being
– God Bless You MJ
Together we can Heal the world make it a better place.
…..We Love You Michael … [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Joanelle performs a Native American ritual outside Hayvenhurst, July 6, 2009 ]

Singer Joanelle Romero performs in front of a makeshift memorial at the Michael Jackson family compound on July 6, 2009 in Encino, California. A star-studded musical tribute is scheduled to take place at the Staples Center sports arena in downtown Los Angeles July 6. Mariah Carey, Jennifer Hudson, Justin Timberlake and Stevie Wonder as well as others are expected to perform. Some 750,000 fans are expected to descend on the arena, which holds 20,000. A lottery for which 1.6 million people registered online awarded two tickets for 8,750 entrants. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Joanelle Romero, on ‘Issues With Jane Velez-Mitchell’, CNN 10th October 2011 ]
Link to video

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joining me tonight in an ISSUES exclusive; I`m thrilled to have someone who says she grew up with Michael Jackson. Joanelle Romero, thank you for being here. These are photos, with you —


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And who is the cute adorable child in the middle.

ROMERO: That`s my daughter, Sage.


ROMERO: And that`s during the “Black and White” music video. It is a wonderful story, our story, my life with Michael.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Tell me how you met him.

ROMERO: Ok, I met him in the sixth grade at Gardner Street School.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s here in Los Angeles.

ROMERO: That`s here in Los Angeles.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They moved from Gary, Indiana all the way to Los Angeles.

ROMERO: Right. And they lived — and they lived on King`s Road. And my brother and I were the only ones allowed up to the house to visit and —

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you know he was famous?

ROMERO: Well, it was when he had “ABC”.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He was still famous.

ROMERO: He was 11. I used to protect him in school. The kids were kind of mean to him in school. And I remember sitting on the steps of Gardner Street School. He asked me to go steady. He was like really shy. He had a tremendous light then as he always carried throughout his whole life.

He had a major concern at 11 as well as I. And he used to swing me in this big swing, Jane, at his house. We used to talk about bringing peace to the world. And you know, love and peace and what we`re going to do to save the world. And this is at 11, you know, we were talking about this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did he seem traumatized at 11? Because he`d already talked about being beaten — in retrospect, he said at that age, he was already being hit his dad with a belt when he made mistakes during rehearsal. Did you hear anything about that?

ROMERO: No. And I`m — but you know when we`re survivors. I have 30 years sober and when we`re survivors —

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Congratulations.

ROMERO: Yes. Thank you.

And when we are survivors and we are told not to talk about these kind of things, you know, we don`t at that age.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On Saturday, there was a huge Michael Jackson tribute concert in Wales and his children showed up dressed in his old costumes. Check this out from iambicTV (ph) and YouTube. Something to see.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is bringing out some emotion in you. Why?

ROMERO: It is because children were very, very precious to Michael, all children. And the reason why I`m so honored to be here is because Michael`s legacy and philanthropy that he created for his children and to see Blanket and the kids there, I`m so glad that mom — grandma, took them over to Europe to celebrate their father, to celebrate his talent, his magic, his light and to keep them in that instead of in this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s what I said. I said, Katherine did all of this to distract the children so that they were happy in remembering their father in a positive light as opposed to remembering and hearing about these tremendously personal details. Things like catheters and urine and all these things, the most private person on earth, how upsetting is that? We will be right back in just a moment.


L. JACKSON: In the beginning, I just immediately said I don`t know if I really want to do this, to come out of retirement for all these years. But then I said I have to. It is Michael you have to do this for him. I mean he would do it for you. So of course, I did and I enjoyed it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now that`s Latoya at the concert in Wales over the weekend. It was a tribute to Michael Jackson, but there was a lot of division in the family.

Jermaine was not in favor of it. Janet wasn`t in favor of it. They said the whole family should be here at the trial where we are, right here in downtown Los Angeles. The Criminal Courts Building is right behind me.

I`m here with Joanelle Romero who was childhood friend of Michael Jackson`s and reconnected around the “Black and White” video time.

What do you think? Do you think the family should all be here it doing you a united front or should they have gone to Wales and some of them done that concert?

ROMERO: There is a united front with the Jackson family already that is well-established. There has always been a united front and I think is fabulous that his mother took the kids to Europe and celebrating their father`s life and legacy. And that`s where they should be and that`s what a grandma — that`s what grandmas do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s true.

ROMERO: That`s what grandmas do. And there is a united front, they are all there. The family`s there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What`s your reaction to all these personal details of Michael Jackson, the urine and the catheters and the syringes and all of these things being revealed about the most private man in the world? What would his reaction have been?

ROMERO: There are no words. The word is unconscionable — am I saying that correct?


ROMERO: It`s unconscionable, what`s going on. There are no English words to define what is happening with the state that we are in with television. This is Michael Jackson. There`s not going to be another Michael Jackson ever, ever. He was the only person on this earth that can drop all races, all nationalities, all — everyone at a drop of a hat. He was the only person on this planet — I know no one on this planet that can do that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And yet, this is what`s happening to him in death?

ROMERO: And it`s — it`s unconscionable. It`s — it`s —

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s like dissecting his life in the most unflattering manner imaginable. How would he have reacted if he could see what`s happening now?

ROMERO: Things have already broken his heart with media. Michael was a — was an incredible human being. He was a human being. He had feelings. He had a heart. He had tenderness. And he was an entertainer, the greatest entertainer that we have ever had, greater than Elvis. I grew up on the sets of Elvis Presley. My mom did the Presley movies. Michael was the greatest entertainer. He was human being.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: But his family says they want justice and this is what is required in a criminal trial.

ROMERO: Yes. Yes. So we have to do that but it`s still unconscionable and what would he have thought, you know — what I feel —

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you feel?

ROMERO: What I feel is that this man should get more than four years.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Four years. I think that`s what a lot of fans are saying, all this for four years? All this for four years? This is justice for Michael, embarrassing him in death with personal details? All for the maximum of four years? And then it could even be less because of prison overcrowding.

We will be right back. Thank you Joanelle.

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Joe Jackson And Abuse: Michael Jackson’s Childhood

[EXPAND Stories From The Other Jackson Family Members ] [EXPAND LaToya Jackson ]

September 1987, Japan, Todd Gold’s book

Katherine Jackson and LaToya visited and compared shopping tips; Michael preferred that his father, also in town, stay away. ”That’s a touchy situation,” said Latoya from her suite at the Akasaka Prince Hotel.

“Growing Up In The Jackson Family,” LaToya autobio, February 7th 1991

What began as a hobby quickly turned into work. Each day after school the guys rehearsed rigorously, first under Mother’s direction, then, after dinner, with Joseph. My father demanded absolute perfection, rarely praising, constantly criticizing, and often hitting. Long before the guys became a national sensation as the Jackson 5, their calling card was precise choreography inspired by their idols, Jackie Wilson and James Brown. I can still see my father standing in the living room, whip in hand. If someone missed a dance step, crack! Sometimes after Joseph had attacked one of the guys, leaving him gasping for breath and doubled over in pain, Mother cried, “It’s not worth it, Joe! Just forget it. The boys don’t have to be singers.”

But Joseph never answered. Even with school the next morning, he rehearsed the quintet to exhaustion. For up to eight hours straight, the same notes, the same words, the same moves, repeated until everyone memorized them. Step, dip, and spin. Step, dip and spin. Step, dip, and spin…

Because eight year old Marlon had a hard time learning the choreography, he suffered many beatings. Joseph hadn’t wanted him in the group at first, but Mother insisted, even though she would concede privately, “He doesn’t know his left foot from his right.” Marlon refused to quit though and practiced constantly. Today, of course, he’s a brilliant dancer.

For no reason I could understand, our father singled out his first born son for the most punishment. I used to ask Mother why Joseph treated Jackie so badly. All she’d say was, “I don’t know… he just never liked him.” As if that made it all right. One of the most talented Jacksons, my brother won many dance competitions as a child. As a young man, he had a warm smile and intelligent brown eyes that made women sigh. I truly believe that Jackie had the same potential to become a star in his own right. But endless psychological and physical battering wore him down.

As if my brothers didn’t suffer enough at their fathers hands, he forced them to don boxing gloves and fight one another while he watched. “Okay, Jackie,” he’d sneer, “let’s see what you and Tito can do.” The two selected halfheartedly punched each other right there in the living room, just to get it over with, while Joseph egged them on.

Another of his pastimes was frightening us. For as long as I can remember, he got the biggest kick out of lurking around our windows at night and tapping on the glass, or pretending to break in. When one of us tiptoed to the window to investigate, my father, wearing a gruesome latex mask, leaped up and growled like a beast. We screamed in terror, and Joseph laughed. It wasn’t done playfully or as part of a game. Why a grown man would deliberately scare his children out of their wits is beyond me.

Even worse was being startled awake by a hideous monster hovering just inches above our faces. While we shrieked, Joseph ripped off his mask and fell out laughing, as if this was the funniest thing he’d ever seen. It got so where every night I pulled the covers tightly over my head and gently rocked myself until drifting off. Even now, that is the only way I can get to sleep.


Adolescence proved awkward for Michael too. He sprouted from just over five feet to five feet ten. Overnight, it seemed, he went from a cute little boy to a gangly teenager. Certain body parts outgrew others, and now Michael was the object of merciless ribbing, especially from his father. “Look at that big nose on your face,” Joseph used to taunt. “I don’t know where you got that from… Bignose.”

LaToya Jackson, Aug 31, 1991

“My father was deplorably violent, whipping smacking, and punching his children.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Marlon Jackson ]

National Enquirer interview, 1988

In one altercation recalled by Marlon, Joseph held Michael upside down by one leg at the age of three and “pummeled him over and over again with his hand, hitting him on his back and buttocks.”

Marlon also said he himself would “get lit up like a Christmas tree,” by Joseph.

The Mirror, 29th August 2009

Michael loathed their dad Joe, accusing him of beating him as a child, which Joe, who lives apart from Katherine, has always denied.

But Marlon insisted: “My father beat us a lot of times. I felt resentful. That sort of discipline wasn’t abnormal in our neighborhood but it doesn’t mean it was right.”

And Marlon believes the beatings may have fatally damaged Jackson’s self-esteem and ability to fend for himself.

“It does a couple of things to you – it forms you into this person who is not able to confront people when they’re not satisfied with things. It also makes people able to take advantage of you. I found a lot of my siblings were that way.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Jackie Jackson ]

“Jackson Family Values” biography by Margaret Maldonado (Jermaine’s ex-girlfriend and the mother to two of his children), November 1995

The interview that still haunts me was one that came from Jackie. While all the brothers made references to Joseph’s temper and the beatings they would receive at his hand, Jackie as the oldest boy, saw and felt more than any of the others.

“My father used to hurt,” Jackie told Joyce. “I mean, if you knew you had a beating the next morning, you couldn’t sleep at night. We were scared of him – all of us. Especially when I was little. We would all try hard in school and if we got bad grades, he would line us up on our knees and hit us. I remember we studied the time tables on Saturdays and we’d be shaking. Even if we knew them, we’d be shaking ’cause you’re thinking about the beating if you miss one. And if you did, he’d get a switch off a tree and pull down your pants.

“He was hard on us, all right. Too hard. I always thought maybe he was upset ’cause he worked so hard and he was taking it out on us a little bit. My father was the type of guy, he never showed us love. He loved us, but he never showed it.”

“He never put his arms around us and said, ‘Son, I love you.’ My father never said, ‘I love you,’ ever, to any of us. I never got that from him.”

“My son knows that I love him. When I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes all the time ’cause my father just couldn’t say it. I know that he really wanted to, but he could never say those words, ‘I love you, son.’”

Jackie, the athletic talent of the family, became emotional when watching scenes in which he was depicted playing baseball with his school team. I watched as tears came to his eyes and he began to sob. “Do you know that my father never came to watch me play ball?” he said. “My father never believed in me.” His pain was hard to watch. I had hoped this miniseries would bring everyone together as a family. Instead it just seemed to be evoking painful memories.

With the memory of that interview and others in my mind, I watched as Joseph would repeatedly look the press straight in the eye and swear: “We never beat LaToya or any of the other kids.” He’d then retreat behind the gates of his home and watch all his children walk the opposite way. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Tito Jackson ]

“Jackson Family Values” biography by Margaret Maldonado (Jermaine’s ex-girlfriend and mother to two of his children), November 1995

Each of the brothers had his or her own story of life with Joseph – some sad, some angry. They would come to me, one by one, and share something they had hidden from the scriptwriter. Of all of them, Tito’s was the most bitter. After watching some dailies, Tito came up with me an uncharacteristic steely look in his eyes.

“You were very kind, Margaret,” he told me. “The beatings, I mean. Joseph used to whip me with an ironing cord and then pour salt into the wounds.” Tito seemed to have neither tears nor forgiveness, just memories that didn’t go away. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Katherine ]

“Jackson Family Values” biography by Margaret Maldonado (Jermaine’s ex-girlfriend and mother to two of his children), November 1995

It was quite a paradox to watch Katherine deny in the press that Joseph had ever struck their children, then read transcripts of interviews with Joyce in which Katherine had spoken of such incidents.

Again, she told me a story of her own. She said one time Joseph had come after her, intent on hitting her. She said she picked up a glass ashtray and threw it directly at her husband. The edge of the ashtray slashed his arm. “Joseph took one look at the blood and from that point on, he never ever messed with me,” Katherine said.

Katherine Jackson and Shmuley, 2000/1

SB: I can turn this [tape recorder] off, or not. But Michael has a tortured, he’s had a tortured relationship with his father. I’m not saying anything new. I mean, this has come out, as you know, in interviews and things like that.
Katherine: Aha.
SB: You probably know that there’s uh… I don’t know how much he spoke about his father in public but one of the famous things that he said publicly was that once his father walked into the room, he felt like throwing up ’cause he was so afraid of him. Do you remember that?
KJ: I know! Yeah, I remember him saying that. He used to tell me and when I used to go on the road he always said, “Don’t bring Joseph.” I’d say, “Why?” and he said, “I literally…”
SB: I could turn this off if you want me to.
KJ: Yes. Could you, please?
SB: Of course. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Janet Jackson ]

Janet Jackson, Dateline, February 2011

MEREDITH VIEIRA: I think you open up about your dad a lot in this book.
JANET JACKSON: My father and I, we’ve gone through our moments, we’ve had a different kind of relationship… My father was never there the way I really wanted a father to be… I would see my friends interact with their dad and I would say to myself, “That’s what I want to do. I want to be able to sit on his lap. I want to be able to call him, ‘Dad’.”
MEREDITH VIEIRA: You called him Joseph, right?
JANET JACKSON: Yeah, he said, “That my name to you. You call me Joseph. You don’t call me Da—” I tried it once.
MEREDITH VIEIRA: To call him dad?
MEREDITH VIEIRA: And what happened?
JANET JACKSON: He said, “I’m Joseph to you. You do not call me dad.” See, you’re gonna start me to going here. That affects you as a kid… I know my father loves me. He just has a very, very different way of showing it.
MEREDITH VIEIRA: You give your dad credit for activating your career. You’re also blunt, Janet, you — and Michael said this too, that you were scared —
MEREDITH VIEIRA: — of your dad and there was a time when you were, I guess, in the bath and he struck you with a belt when you came out?
JANET JACKSON: That was the only time my father ever whupped me.
MEREDITH VIEIRA: How old were you then?
JANET JACKSON: I was very young, very young. And I can’t even remember what I did, but I remember it happening. And I don’t think I deserved it. I don’t think it should have ever happened. A lot of times I felt that my father would take things out on us because of — I don’t know, issues outside of the home. But we were, we were afraid of my father, growing up.

Janet Jackson, “True You,” autobiography, May 2011

It was always difficult talking to my father, who made us call him Joseph, not Dad. He was a man of action, not words. And the truth is that we feared him. I was the last of nine children, and I believe that by the time I was born my parents had grown tired of disciplining. They were more lenient with me and Randy, the next to youngest, than with our older siblings. There was one time, however, when my father hit me. I can’t remember what rule I had disobeyed, but I had just stepped out of the bathtub when he struck me with his belt. It left marks on my skin. It’s interesting that I don’t recall the lesson my father was trying to teach, only the violence he used to make his point.

Violence has a way of overwhelming everything. I think my father is misunderstood. It’s important for you to know that my father loves all of his children and that his way of communicating his love was a result of his upbringing. I tell this story not to judge him, but to be open and to break the cycle. Fear can also be overwhelming.

Many nights my siblings and I would put on our pajamas and go to Mother’s room. We would tell jokes, read stories, and watch TV. We felt safe there.

In between our laughter, we’d sometimes hear the crunching sound of tires rolling up the gravel driveway. It was Joseph in his car, headlights turned off, windows rolled down, trying to sneak up on us to hear what we were talking about. The sound of his car stopped us cold. We’d scatter like roaches, off to our rooms, ducking down low so not to be visible through the windows. We didn’t know what mood Joseph was bringing home.

I know that my kind of story is not uncommon, and I know many have endured far worse. Through it all we always had Mother’s love as a constant, and so many people don’t even have that .

But it is important to remember that with an unstable foundation, you can’t find your own true you.

I’m certain I received less of his wrath than my other siblings did, but there were times when Joseph began screaming at me for reasons I didn’t comprehend. I now understand that he has an issue with anger management.

My father’s love for us, his passion for us to succeed, his burning desire to provide for his children, were sometimes communicated in anger. I wish I had understood then what I understand today. But as children, when we face anger— anger that strikes us unexpectedly, like a lightning bolt—we have no no real protection. We presume either that we did wrong or simply are wrong, through and through. [/EXPAND] [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Others Who Witnessed It ]

Johnny Jackson (no relation), original drummer in the Jackson 5, 1968

Once, Joe tried to convince Michael to execute a dance step a certain way. Michael refused to listen. According to Johnny Jackson, Joe smacked Michael across the face. Michael fell backwards and hit the floor with a thud.

“Now, you do it the way I told you to! You hear me?” Joe hollered at the nine year old.

“I once heard that Michael was late coming to rehearsal and when he walked in, Joe came up behind him and shoved him into some musical instruments. Michael fell into the drums and got banged up pretty bad. Maybe Joe didn’t mean to shove him so hard, I don’t know. But Michael was affected. I know for a fact that Michael began to dislike his father at an early age.”

Sam Moore of Sam and Dave, Late 1960s

Sam Moore, of Sam and Dave, recalled Joe locking Michael – who was maybe 10 years old – in a dressing room while Joe went off on his own adventures. Michael sat alone for hours. He also later recalled having to go onstage even if he’d been sick in bed that day.

Anna Perez, flight attendant, late July 1973

Memory of Micheal: In the early ’70’s, the Jackson 5 was at the height of their popularity and on tour. I was a flight attendant and the group, their roadies and their father filled my first class cabin on a short hop from NYC to Rhode Island for a concert. We had some pretty bad turbulence and were trying to land. I was in the galley, closing out the liquor when the very shy, beautiful teenaged Micheal walked in and said “My father would like two more double Johnny Walker’s– and your phone number.” So, his married father sent his young son to solicit for him. Whatever problems Micheal had later in his life, I place at least some of the responsibility at his father’s feet.

Michael at Montclair Prep Highschool, 1972-1974

“His father Joe Jackson was very strict — he didn’t give him any leeway,” Simpson noted. “One day, Michael got in trouble, not a big thing, but Joe Jackson came to the office furious and started yelling at him. You could see that Michael was very intimidated by his father. My uncle (who was the principal then) had to intervene to calm things down.”

At a Party For LaToya Jackson, Sepia, 1980

And speaking of Polydor Records, the company staged a giant get-acquainted party in Hollywood at Jackie-O’s one recent night for LaToya Jackson, attractive singing sister in the singing Jackson family. LaToya now records for Polydor.

After the hilarity had subsided, and the many press photographers had departed, invited guest Richard Pryor arrived, dressed in a T-shirt imprinted: “Up In Smoke.” Pryor was with his actor friend Stan Shaw, both having arrived in Pryor’s sleek Rolls-Royce Corni- che convertible.

Another late arrival was LaToya’s famous singer-brother, Michael, whose tardiness so enraged their father, Joe (who was observing his own birthday), that the elder whisked off his belt as if to give his 21 -year-old son a few birthday licks.

Filming of Thriller, Vanity Fair, October 11-20 1983

Still living at home at the age of 25, Jackson’s problems with his family were painfully apparent during the shoot. Landis and other crew members witnessed the frequent clashes between father and son, which would become public knowledge in the coming years, when Jackson would publicly refer to Joe Jackson’s abuse.

More than once Landis found himself caught up in the twisted dynamics of the Jackson family. One night when Joseph and Katherine Jackson visited the set, the director recalls, “Michael asked me to have Joe removed. He said, ‘Would you please ask my father to leave?’ So I go over to Mr. Jackson. ‘Mr. Jackson, I’m sorry, but can you please … ?’ ‘Who are you?’ ‘I’m John Landis. I’m directing this.’ ‘Well, I’m Joe Jackson. I do what I please, and I want to be here.’ I said, ‘I’ll have to ask security to remove you if you don’t leave now.’” Landis had a policeman escort Joe Jackson off the set.

“Michael was scared to death of Joseph,” says Larry Stessel, who vividly recalls and evening where Joe walked into the room at the Encino house and Michael literally moved behind Stessel to hide, cowering.

“Michael would lock his bedroom door,” remembers Branca, “and Joe would threaten to bang it in.” (Joe Jackson, through his lawyer, denies this account.)

LaToya Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer on “Night Talk with Jane Whitney,” 1992

Jane: Ronnie you were keyboardist with the Jackson 5 for what, a good number of years.
Ronnie: Yeah. for about 10 years, 8-10 years.
Jane: And at one point you lived with the family?
Ronnie: Yeah, in California.
Jane: Now, [LaToya’s allegations] are a terrible thing.
Ronnie: It is.
Jane: Does that surprise you?
Ronnie: Not really, ’cause I don’t really put anything past Joseph.
Jane: What does that mean?
Ronnie: Well, I’ve seen him in occasions like, I mean one time in Gary, while we were rehearsing and his mother fixed him a nice dinner and the brothers were sitting down commiserating and having fun and talking about going to the Appollo theater and doing a gig there and it was zero degrees outside and Joe said, “I want some Kool-Aid.” He said, “Jermaine, go out to the store and get me some Kool Aid,” and Jermaine said, “It’s cold outside!” Joe picked up a harvest spoon and – BAM! hit him across the head, sending him out to go in the cold.
Jane: So you say he was physically abusive to his children. You saw that happen.
Ronnie: With a harvest spoon. Big harvest spoon.
Jane: That aside, how did he treated Latoya? From What you saw.
Ronnie: From what I saw, like Latoya said, she tried to stay to herself, okay, she was real quiet, she was like a shadow. Whenever a guy would come around to Latoya and take on a date, Joseph would hit the ceiling. I was like, wow. Even one time I had, personally, I was teaching her how to swim and he went off. More like, “This is my girl, man.”
Jane: Sounds like a jealous boyfriend more than…
Ronnie: A boyfriend moreso than a father.
Jane: Was he like that when you started to have attention from other men? Was he jealous?
LaToya: Well he didn’t allow me to do anything. I don’t recall a thing, I don’t know if I should phrased it as jealousy or not because you don’t see it that way, but I do recall him not wanting me to do anything with anyone. He just basically wanted me to himself.
Jane: That’s sort of a reclusive life. You didn’t have a normal life where you could go out like other people.
LaToya: No, it wasn’t normal
Jane: Now why did you wait so long to get out of the house, Latoya?
LaToya: Sometimes it takes a lifetime. I tried to leave several times actually and my parents are very good at playing these guilt tricks on you, “You can’t leave the house, you’re a Jackson, somebody’s gonna follow you, they’ll kidnap you,” and my father, he took my luggage and he threw it back in the room, and he threw me in the room and he closed door saying, “You’re not going anywhere,” and this went on continuously when I tried to leave. Now, I look back on it and say, “How silly, why didn’t you just get up in the night and just go.” They always say, “If you left I’ll find you right away and bring you right back home.”

Roger Friedman, Larry King Live, 21st July 2009

MORET: It is not the media that’s accusing him. Michael Jackson said to ’93 to Oprah Winfrey in a huge interview, and again ten years later, in another huge interview, my father beat me. He abused me. This has been out there in the public. Michael Jackson isn’t here anymore to refute Joe Jackson’s claims. It has been out there in the public. Joe Jackson had his opportunity to refute it. He didn’t.

KING: Roger, wasn’t the age, though — he’s 80 years old — of spare the rod and spoil the child?

FRIEDMAN: Not exactly. I have people who worked for the Jacksons in the ’70s, who talk about how when the kids were rehearsing for the Jackson 5, if Joe didn’t like what Michael was doing, and Michael was his star, he would lock him in a dark closet until he was ready to take him out. Not only he harassed, he tortured this kid.

You wonder why Michael Jackson says he couldn’t sleep. If he did die of Diprivan or something where he couldn’t sleep and needed extreme medicines to make him sleep, this is why; he had nightmares about Joseph Jackson. This is why Joseph Jackson is not in Michael’s will. That should tell us everything right there.

FRIEDMAN: All right, these two guys, they’re the only ones that anyone was trying to keep away from Michael Jackson. They’re the only two that were kept away. Leonard Rowe and Joseph Jackson actually called me on March 18th — I just looked it up on my cell phone bill. They called me to say, right after the AEG Concerts were announced, that they wanted to get involved and take over the concerts.

Joe Jackson said to me, I have to get in there and fix this, because it is no good. Why was it no good? Because he and Leonard Rowe were not getting a cut of it. Last year, Leonard Rowe was sued successfully by R-Kelly, the singer, for 3.4 million dollars for setting up a fraudulent concert tour.

He also had to paid Nio, another R & B singer, 700,000 dollars. The guy has an awful reputation. He’s not even a concert promoter. He’s just a bad guy.

Frank Dileo, Hits Daily Double, 31st July 2009

What was Michael’s relationship like with his father?
Joe was his father, and that’s what Michael wanted. He didn’t want to know about any business. He just wanted him to be his father. He wanted to be loved as a son, not a commodity.

Did he ever get that?
I don’t know. Watch the Larry King interview with Joe Jackson and you make that determination. It was a train wreck.[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Joseph and Guns ]

“Growing Up In The Jackson Family,” LaToya autobio, February 7th 1991

An avid gun collector, Joseph kept a cache of loaded weapons under his bed and in his closets. Mother objected strongly, especially since he’d once accidentally shot out his brother in law’s eye during a hunting trip. “Joseph,” she used to say, “aren’t you tired of those guns? Haven’t you had enough?” He ignored her, taking perverse pleasure in aiming at one of us and squeezing the trigger. Click. What if he’d forgotten to empty the chamber?

“Joseph,” Mother would scold, “suppose something’s in it?”

“Katie, I checked; nothing’s in it,” he’d reply, then laugh out loud.

“Magic and Madness,” Taraborrelli, May 1991

“Joe has a whole stash of guns in his house,” said his former business manager Jerome Howard. “Under his bed, he’s got machine guns.”

Steve Howell, “I tried to explain that Michael had cleared it for me to be there but [Joe] got upset and told me to stay away or, he said, “I’ll make sure you stay away.” So I left. On my way out I talked it over with one of the guards. “You’d better do what he says,” the guard told me. “You know he has an Uzi he keeps.”

Margaret Maldonado, Jermaine’s ex-girlfriend and mother of two of his children in her biography “Jackson Family Values”, November 1995

Away from work, life at Hayvenhurst had turned into a nasty TV soap opera, with much of the hostility directed at Joseph during his then infrequent visits to California. Despite his age and deteriorating physical condition, his children still lived in fear of their father because of his explosive temper and the collection of guns he kept upstairs underneath his bed and in his closet.

When Joseph got angry, his eyes would start to glaze over and his forehead would wrinkle. The transition was immediate and so identifiable that everyone who was able would run for cover. He would charge up the stairs, and we never knew when he might be bringing down a loaded gun and start firing. It never seemed to matter how the argument started. It only mattered to Joseph that he won.

One afternoon Jackie and Joseph got into a shoving match. They fought quite a bit over women since Jackie, as the handsomest brother, always had his pick of the lot and Joseph found that hard to deal with. Joseph wanted to have sex with everyone else’s girlfriend or wife. This was hardly something new. Katherine told me she thought Joseph had slept with the wife of one of his brothers. Katherine’s personal assistant, Amelia Paterson, physically stepped in between father and son to keep them from hurting each other. She knew better than anyone that a fight between Joseph and Jackie could easily turn deadly, just as it had for Marvin Gaye and his father. Amelia was a long time friend of Katherine’s and they loved each other like sisters. Because of that, she tolerated more from Joseph than any woman should ever have.

Amelia’s office was in the back of the house, and frequently Jermaine, Jackie an Randy would also use it to conduct business. One day it became the site of yet another family melodrama. Jackie and Randy were in a heated discussion with Jermaine over the way he was conducting family business. In the Jackson household, nothing stays quiet for long and, true to form, this discussion escalated into a fight at warp speed.

Hearing the argument, Joseph joined in, shouting his own insults. Then he got that familiar glazed look on his face and turned to leave. Amelia jumped up to her feet to try and stop him, asking him where he was doing. “I’m gonna get my tear gas gun and gas those boys outta here,” the old man yelled. It was only because of Amelia’s patience and abilities as a negotiator that Joseph didn’t carry out his plan.


When Randy discovered that Eliza was at the front gate with their daughter Stevanna, he confronted Joseph and the two of them got into a scuffle. Then Joseph headed toward his bedroom. Fearing Joseph was going for his guns, Randy grabbed onto his father’s shirt, ripping the material and pulling the elder Jackson down a flight of stairs.

By the time I arrived on the scene, a security guard was pointing a gun at Randy, attempting to follow Joseph’s instructions to throw him off the property. What I hadn’t realized was that Joseph had told the security guard that Randy was drunk as an excuse to give him the boot. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Joe Jackson’s Own Words ]

People magazine, Susan Schindehette & Todd Gold, August 8 1988

Twenty-nine-year-old Michael, for example, has become a virtual stranger to the family; he lives in isolated splendor 100 miles northwest of L.A. in Santa Ynez, Calif., and last saw his parents in February.

“A father will always feel he knows more than his kids,” says Marlon. “It just got to the point where we were grown men, and we had our own lives. We couldn’t always do what he wanted.”

Now, there is de facto estrangement: Phone calls are rare, and Katherine sees him only when she flies out to visit him on the road. For his part, Michael alluded to earlier problems in Moonwalk, his new book, charging that Joe beat him as a child (an allegation Joe denies). And although Michael has been conspicuously generous with his parents (more than a million in cash and jewels for both Mom and Dad), Joe is miffed. “We wonder why things have changed like they have, why he doesn’t seem to care about his family,” he says. “The few times we’ve spoken to him, he seems glad to hear from us. But when you talk to other people, they say Michael doesn’t want to be involved with his family.”

Even Joe still expects Michael to one day return to the fold. “But I may have to go get him and let him know that he has a family still,” he says. “I can always go drag him out of there. He ain’t never going to get too big for me to go get him. And he knows I’ll come get him, too.”

“Bill Bray is so secretive about Michael,” says Joe. “The one thing I do know is that [Michael’s managers] don’t want me anywhere around. I’d love to know if Michael is aware of what his people are doing, which I don’t think he is. We’re talking about millions and millions of dollars.”

Joe Jackson interview, Kitty Kelley, Nov 16, 1991

Interviewed by Kitty Kelley for her forth coming MCA TV talk show, Joe asserts: “Maybe I should’ve punched La Toya, like any other normal parent would do, but I never laid a hand on La Toya. My wife whipped her once. La Toya was always afraid of whippings, you know, and she stayed and she never did get into any trouble or nothing. Lately La Toya hasn’t been herself, he said. “I think she’s being brainwashed… been given some kind of mind- altering drugs or something.”

Joe Jackson interview, Roger Friedman, Fox News, 10th Sept 2001

I did ask him though about his parental philosophy. “You have to be strict with kids,” he said. “There’s nothing wrong with punishment as long as you know how to punish.”

What would be a typical punishment? “Beat his back,” Joe Jackson replied before I could even get the question out.

Joe Jackson interview with Theroux, 13th November 2003

Joe: “I whipped him with a switch and a belt. I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick.”

Theroux told Joe Jackson that his son was so nervous when he saw his father that he “regurgitates”, and Joe responds by saying: “He regurgitates all the way to the bank. That’s right.”

On Joe Jackson, Roger Friedman, 7th July 2009

No one can stop the avaricious, evil father of Michael Jackson.

In the 18 days since Michael’s tragic death, Joseph Jackson has made at least a half million dollars off his late, famous son.

This week, according to sources, “Good Morning America” paid Jackson around $200,000 for a series of interviews that commence tomorrow morning.

ABC says it’s done this as part of a deal for a one-hour documentary on the Jackson family.

At the same time, Jackson is said to be arriving in London tomorrow, the day that Michael was set to start his shows at the O2 Arena. Sources tell me that the British tabloids are paying Jackson at least $250,000 plus expenses to exploit Michael’s memory.

Meanwhile, Michael—remember him? – is lying in a borrowed vault in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Los Angeles, still not permanently buried or interred because the Jackson family hasn’t figured out which location would maximize their profits best.

The horror of Joseph Jackson is only more heightened by the fact that he’s told reporters this week that he somehow foresees exploiting Michael’s children as performers in a bid to regain his glory days of the Jackson 5.

If Michael had a grave, he’d be rolling in it.

Michael Jackson told interviewers many times how his father abused and beat him when he was a child. He said it through tears to Oprah Winfrey.

There is abundant evidence that Michael hated his father. One insider working on Jackson’s business affairs since his death, a person who hadn’t known Joseph Jackson previously, said to me last week, “He killed Michael. Everything he did to to him led up to this. I’ve never met a more awful person.”

Indeed, Joseph Jackson has never hesitated to try and cash in on Michael’s success after his superstar son finally broke free of him in the late 1970s with the “Off the Wall” album. Joseph is famous for coming up with schemes behind Michael’s back.

To wit: On the day of Michael’s famous 30th anniversary solo show, Joe Jackson called a news conference and invited select journalists. I was one of them. It was obvious Michael had no idea this was going on. Mr. Jackson told us he was going to start selling footage of the Jackson 5 for profit. He was eager to be a star himself, clearly.

I asked him about his parental philosophy. “You have to be strict with kids,” he said. “There’s nothing wrong with punishment as long as you know how to punish.” What would be a typical punishment? “Beat his back,” Joe Jackson replied before I could even get the question out.

In 2004, before Michael’s child molestation trial began, I received a call from vulture journalist Daphne Barak. She said, “I have Joseph Jackson here and we want to talk to you about a project.” I hung up.

This year, on March 26th, Jackson himself called me to say he wanted to take over the just announced concerts at the O2 Arena because only he and his partner Leonard Rowe would know how to run them. Shortly after that, Jackson and Rowe threw in with another concert promoter. The latter man filed suit against Michael to get a cut of his AEG Live contract.

And still: three days after Michael died, Joseph Jackson turned up at the BET Awards in Los Angeles with a Michael Jackson impersonator in tow. He announced that he was starting a record company on national TV.

It’s not the first time that Joseph Jackson has tried to claw his way back into the music business. A few years ago he tried in vain to launch a young female singer out of Las Vegas. The project didn’t go anywhere.

Meantime, the judge in the custody hearing next Monday July 20th deciding the fate of Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson should be aware of some things in the Jackson family history. Joe Jackson has an illegitimate daughter named JohVonnie by a woman named Cheryl Terrell. Janet actually mentioned this in an interview with Parade Magazine in 2008.

He also had at least one other extramarital relationship, with a woman named Gina Sprague. All of this has been documented in various Jackson books, including one by LaToya.

Also, Katherine Jackson filed for divorce twice during her marriage, once in 1973 and again in 1979. In each case she was persuaded not to go through with it rather than hurt the family’s reputation.”

Joe Jackson, Piers Morgan, 31 January 2013

MORGAN: Everyone says the same thing about you. Very tough, but you had to be. That you wanted the best for your family and you decided right from the start you were going to be firm, tough when you had to be disciplined and do what it took to give them the lives that many of them have since enjoyed. How do you respond to that?

JACKSON: Well, I had to be like that way because during those times it’s hard and you had a lot of games there, you know, in the area where we were living.

MORGAN: This is Gary, Indiana.

JACKSON: Gary, Indiana, and I had to make sure that they didn’t get into any type of trouble and things of that sort.

MORGAN: What your children have told me, almost all of them, is that you found it hard, because you were tough with them and disciplined, and wanted to me, you found it hard to be too demonstrative, to tell them too much that you love them. And some of them found that quite difficult to deal with.


MORGAN: Let me play you an example. I interviewed Janet and she said this. Watch this clip.


JANET JACKSON, SINGER: One time I tried to call him dad.

MORGAN: What happened. J. JACKSON: He said no, I’m Joseph. You call me Joseph. I’m Joseph to you. When your father tells you one time, you don’t do it again. I always called him Joseph.

MORGAN: Sad, isn’t it?

J. JACKSON: Yeah, it is. I wish our relationship was different but I know that he loves me.


MORGAN: So come on, why wouldn’t you let your daughter call you dad?

JACKSON: Well you had all those kids running around hollering around and hollering, dad, dad, dad, you know, and it gets to be — it sounds kind of funny to me. But I didn’t care too much about what they called me as long as they were able to listen to me and what I had to tell them, you know, in order to make their life successful. This was the main thing.

My kids was brought up in a way so they respect people, and they never was on drugs. They never went to jail, wasn’t in no gangs or nothing. They were brought up professionally. And it was nice, yes.

MORGAN: But do you have any regrets that you may have been a little bit too tough on some of them?

JACKSON: Well, I’m glad I was tough, because look what I came out with. I came out with some kids that everybody loved all over the world. And they treated everybody right. You know Michael, he was a nice guy. But the world don’t know anything too much about Michael as far as how he was brought up.

But He was brought up — I made sure that he respected the older people, yes.

MORGAN: Tell me about the young Michael and your relationship with him.

JACKSON: Michael was the type of kid — you know, he was a good kid and very easy to learn. One thing once and he could really do it just like the person that he listened to doing it. By him being that way, he was able to be Michael Jackson, because he looked good on stage. When he performed, everybody loved the way that he did it because he was that good.

MORGAN: You physically disciplined your kids. Do you parents today are too soft on their children? Do you think there is a lack of respect because of that.

JACKSON: Yes, they are too soft. One of the reasons I say that is because kids now a days are killing their parents, in some cases. And the parents say let’s get into this beating thing. There is no such thing as beating a kid. You hit them or punch them for something they did, and they will remember that. They remember it in such a way they won’t do it again. That’s the way I was.

MORGAN: It is not like that anymore. You know, many people say, well, you know, you can’t hit a child. I interviewed your wife Katherine and she said this about you.


KATHERINE JACKSON, WIFE OF JOE JACKSON: I didn’t think he was too tough. But back in those days, everybody raises their children the same. If you did something wrong, that was terribly wrong, you got a scolding for it and you also got a licking, as they called it.

But today you can’t do that. So Michael looked back at those times and he said he was abused.


JACKSON: In those days, kids was real bad. And the parents should have made sure what I did, made sure that my kids was good kids, made sure that they understand what I was trying to do. Since Michael got grown and has kids of his own, he understands what I was going through with it.

[/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson’s Accounts ] [EXPAND Jackson 5 interview, Soul Magazine, August 19th 1970 ]

But the two oldest boys often tease their younger brothers.

“When Tito and Jackie really want us mad,” Michael laughs, “they call Jermaine ‘Big Head,’ Marlon ‘Liver lips’ and they call me ‘Big Nose.'” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Moonwalk Tapes, Steven Davis, first editor (not intended for release), taped 1984-1985 ]

(Audio here)

MJ: “The natural instinct of show business was inside of us anyway, ’cause it was something that God gives you. But [Joe] taught us how to cultivate it. He’d sit there everyday, it was like after school we’d come home and we’d rehearse and he’d sit in a chair like this, usually with a belt in his hand or a switch.”
SD: “Jeeze, wow.”
MJ: “He would. He’d be sitting there and we’d do our performance and if you messed up you’d get hit. The person who got it all the time was Marlon. Ugh. See, I got it outside from show business, I was beat more than any of the children.”
SD: “You mean for pranks and stuff?”
MJ: “No… just… probably just for being… I used to throw back at him, hit back at him. When he’d get me… I would get beat bad. To the point where I would say abused… Please don’t write that.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson, Moonwalk autobiography, 1988  ]

Link to book

My father has always been something of a mystery to me and he knows it. One of the few things I regret most is never being able to have a real closeness with him. He built a shell around himself over the years and, once he stopped talking about our family business, he found it hard to relate to us. We’d all be together and he’d just leave the room. Even today it’s hard for him to touch on father and son stuff because he’s too embarrassed. When I see that he is, I become embarrassed, too.

My father never did anything like that. But I still don’t know him, and that’s sad for a son who hungers to understand his own father. He’s still a mystery man to me and he may always be one.


We loved to perform and we put everything we had into it. He’d sit at home with us every day after school and rehearse us. We’d perform for him and he’d critique us. If you messed up, you got hit, sometimes with a belt, sometimes with a switch. My father was real strict with us – real strict. Marlon was the one who got in trouble all the time. On the other hand, I’d get beaten for things that happened mostly outside rehearsal. Dad would make me so mad and hurt that I’d try to get back at him and get beaten all the more. I’d take a shoe and throw it at him, or I’d just fight back, swinging my fists. That’s why I got it more than all my brothers combined. I would fight back and my father would kill me, just tear me up. Mother told me I’d fight back even when I was very little, but I don’t remember that. I do remember running under tables to get away from him, and making him angrier. We had a turbulent relationship


In those days, touring with the Jackson 5, I always shared a room with Jermaine. He and I were close, both onstage and off, and shared a lot of the same interests. Since Jermaine was also the brother most intrigued by the girls who wanted to get at him, he and I would get into mischief on the road.

I think our father decided early on that he had to keep a more watchful eye on us than on our other brothers. He would usually take the room next to ours, which meant he could come in to check on us anytime through the connecting doors. I really despised this arrangement, not only because he could monitor our misbehavior, but also because he used to do the meanest things to us. Jermaine and I would be sleeping, exhausted after a show, and my father would bring a bunch of girls into the room; we’d wake up and they’d be standing there, looking at us, giggling. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson, “Glenda Tapes”, Phonecalls To A Friend Taped Without His Knowledge, 1991 ]

Transcript 3:2, around February 1991

MJ: I’m torn between mother and LaToya.
Sam: That must be hard on you.
MJ: When you’re brought up… We used to play at the club circuits and stuff like that, you know, with all the black groups and it’s like, you’re brought up and then we finally went with Motown and stuff. You’re brought up… You’re taught to be a certain way because you’re in the public eye. The close-knit, the close-knit family, the tight-knit family, whatever, and “Papa Joe this,” and “Papa Joe was wonderful,” and “Papa Joe helped do this and that.” When things start falling apart, then you gotta cover for it, you know, because you’re out there and you gotta cover for it. I would come home. We would come home from sessions and if we didn’t do something right, we’d get beat with a sock full of wet sand because it didn’t leave bruises. We’d go to the studios the next day and, and, you know, people in the business, people in the Motown family, they knew what was going on. I mean if you did something wrong and Joseph was there, he’d slap the mess out of us. They knew what was going on but it was like, you have to portray this certain image. You have to smile and everything. And everything like “y’all so tight.” “The Jackson family came from poverty, you know, from being nobody” and (I)
Sam: ?
MJ: Joseph is dangerous.

Transcript 3:3, 23rd June 1991

Glenda: Hello! You’re in rare form!
Michael: (chuckle)
Glenda: What have you been doin’ all day?
Michael: Nothin’, rehearsin’ and stuff. My father called and asked me for half a million dollars (laugh).
Glenda: What??
Michael: (laugh) Hooo (laugh).
Glenda: What?
Michael: Yeah.
Glenda: Are you serious?
Michael: And on Father’s Day.
Glenda: (laugh)
Michael: Joseph called me-
Glenda: Huh?
Michael: Joseph called me with this sob story, and he said (imitating Joe) “I been tryin’ to get a hold of you for three weeks.”
Glenda: (gasp)
Michael: I’m like, “Yeah, well what do you want?” And he’s like, “Your number’s changed.” I said, “Yeah. Anyway, what do you want?” (The way he said that, by the way, was funny.) ‘Cause he had to go through, he had to go through four different people to get a hold of me. So I said, “Okay. Fine.” Put his call through.” He wanted to borrow half a million dollars. I’m like, “Oh. Why are you in debt- What did you do now? Why are you in debt this time, Joseph?”
Glenda: (gasps)
Michael: You know, he played this crap on me about (imitating Joseph’s voice), “Oh, well, you know, you my son, you know.”
Glenda: (laughs)
Michael: Like, yeah. (Joe’s voice again) “Aww, you know, I pay it back and, you know, we can come up with a contract.”
Glenda: Has he done this before?
Michael: Yeah! All the time. And you know, when his business, when he had Joe Jackson Productions. He was real good in the beginning, back, you know, with us, when we were little, but… he’s not a very good businessman.
Glenda: Well, what does he do now, though, since (I – managing your sisters?)
Michael: He does what he does. Well, you know, it’s like, he wanted to borrow money before and then he had to go through mother to get it. [He would go on forever] you know.
Glenda: (i). But I don’t remember when [whispers inaudible] Michael: And then… they want me to give Joseph money and stuff like that. So I say, “Okay, well I’m not gonna give it to Joseph. I’ll give it mother, so he doesn’t just throw all the money away and stuff like that, she’s in charge of it.” So now he called me again. “I been tryin’ to get a hold of you for three weeks and this and that.” Blah blah llaaalllaa, whatever. (i). He always in debt.
Glenda: Oh my god. On Father’s Day?
Michael: Yeah.
Glenda: How appropriate!
Michael: Yeah.
Glenda: (laughs) And what did you tell him?
Michael: I tell him, “I don’t know,” I said, “I’ll think about. I’ll get back to you.”
Glenda: Are you gonna do it?
Michael: No, I’m not gonna do it!
Glenda: Ungrateful chiiiild! (laughs)
Michael: I know.
Glenda: (laughs)
Michael: He like (Joe’s voice again), “If it weren’t for me, you wouldn’t be where you are today.” And stuff.
Glenda: Is that what he says? Did he say that today?
Michael: Hell yeah, he says that to me.
Glenda: (laugh) Oh my god!
Michael: He’d always tell us that. When we were little. “Well, you know, if it wasn’t for me, you wouldn’t be where you are. If it wasn’t for me, you wouldn’t be Michael Jackson Sperstar,” and stuff, you know. And I told him before, ’cause we got into a big fight, I says, “That’s halfway true.” I said, “But you know what I said, I grew up in this business and I learned a lot. You had a lot to do with it in the beginning and I thank you for that, but I can’t pay you back for the rest of my life.” I said, “I know the business.” You know, I told him before, I said, “I know the business better than you do.” And I said, “You can’t keep throwing that in my face.” I said, “Because it took you to get me started.” I said, “But then after that, I was my own business man.” ‘Cause he was screwin’ up deals right and left.
Glenda: What was the last thing [that you got involved in with] him, was it the Victory Tour?
Michael: Well, yeah, that’s one of the last things he dabbled in, he screwed it up. I said, “Don’t use Don King.” And all this and that. (Joe’s voice) “Oh, but Don, well, you know, he’s a good businessman.” I said, “No, he’s not, he’s a crook.”
Glenda: (i) [That was a funny one? Tell us the funny part?] Michael: He can suck my socks.
Glenda: (laughs) I love that one part where he made this speech about bringing him back and everything. (i)
Michael: Say what?
Glenda: You know that thing that he said, that thing and he was going on and on about- [and I was like]will you shut up?
Michael: Yeah.
Glenda: (i) shut up. (laughs) That was so funny!
Michael: That was funny, yeah.
Glenda: Uh huh. That was funny.

Transcript 2:3, Sometime September 1991-September 1992

M: It’s was like… you know, girl, it was like… my brothers and (I)
G: All of them? I guess they’re not as sensitive as you are
M: Randy grew up in it because Randy, Randy’s been really through a lot, okay? And Randy grew up with Joseph telling him – ‘cause Randy was the youngest boy and you know I been performing since I was five and Randy had to stay home with the girls. Be with Rebbie, Latoya, Janet as a baby, and had to be with mother. Joseph always told Randy, “you’re not good enough, you don’t have talent.”
G: He told him that?
M: Yeah
G: But he was so little!
M: Yeah. And then we, y’know, tried to bring Randy into the group and he felt like he was like, when Jermaine left, when Jermaine decided to stay with Motown and we went on to Epic and stuff – and Randy was always told he was a filler. I remember we did this show. It was called the Jacksons, The Jacksons Five or something like that Show. And I will never forget this. Randy was like nine years old. He was on the congos. This was his first appearance on television. So we had a live audience and stuff. It was on ABC. It was a live audience and stuff like that and we were doing, I don’t remember which number it was, but Randall was, he was on the congos and stuff. Joseph was like the tyrant.
G: And how old were you?
M: Well, let’s see. Randy’s 30 now and I’m like 33.
G: So you were…
M:I was like 12. Then Joseph got on, “What the fuck happened to you?”
G: Really?
M: Yeah, like when I got close to Mr B and stuff (Berry Gordy) Mr B would kiss me and hug me and stuff like that. He’s like, “What’s up wid you, man?” You know he [Joseph] wouldn’t say anything to Mr B really, but Mr B would have gone off.
G: Tell him that he was (I)
M: Yes, Joseph never used to hug us! Mother did.
G: What about that other child that he has?
M: (long pause), Jon Vonnie?
G: Yeah
M: Oh yeah, he doesn’t have any problem, he never had any problem showing– He hugged her and stuff, I never could understand that.
G: That is bizarre. That’s really bizarre
M: Why is that, girl?
G: I don’t know!
M: Jackie, I mean, Jackie got it the worse because Jackie was the oldest boy, and Rebbie I think got it. And—
G: You mean “got it,” you mean like the beatings or?
M: yeah and…
G: What?
M: But Jackie used to get it the worse
G: That’s terrible. But weren’t you kind of the spunky one? I mean, didn’t I read where you threw a shoe at his head or something?
M: Yeah, I was the one who would fight back when I was little. He’d try to beat me and stuff like that. You know, if I sang the wrong – I didn’t do something right or I did the wrong dance step, you know the wrong move. And I would argue back and I would fight back.
G: And all of your big brothers just sit there and watch?
M: Yeah, they were scared of him. And I threw a show at him and stuff.
G: laughs
M: And I’d run like HELL! And he couldn’t catch me, you know?
G: laughs
M: And then when I went to sleep and stuff ‘cause, we you know, we were (I)
G: (something bangs, muffling noises) Hold on, I was trying to take these jeans off and I dropped the phone, I’m sorry, laughs
M: (Can I get into them?)
G: laughs, No wait a minute, I’m going to pick them up off the floor. Hold on, okay, go ahead.
M: Okay, my brothers used to say I was crazy. And I was little. And I would always fight Joseph back, and oh my god, I would get my ass beat. And then I used to run and I threw a show at him and run like hell.
G: laughs
M: And he knocked me down on the floor one time ‘cause we were rehearsing in our living room. I did somethin’ wrong. He knocked the MESS out of me. And we were supposed to perform somewhere the next day. And he knocked me down so hard, I lost the wind, I lost my wind, right? And I was just little
G: Mhm
M: So I got up, I was so serious. They talk about me being conceited now, you know?
G: Mhm.
M: I got up and I was crying and stuff. And I said, “Joseph, if you hit me again. I’m not performing!”
G: laughs
M: He’s like, “what the fuck did you say?”
G: (gasps)
M: I’m like, “You hit me again, Joseph” – and I couldn’t, I wasn’t even nine years old, I was probably just about seven. I said, “Joseph, if you hit me again-” and I was crying my eyes out, I said, “- If you hit me again I am NOT performing.”
G: sympathetic sigh
M: And he left me alone. I said, “I’m not doing the show!” He said, “don’t you know I will kick your MF ass!” And all this and that and I got up, the wind was knocked out of me. And I said, “You hit me again and I won’t perform.” And he knew I was the star performer. laughs
G: haha, Yeah really!
M: And he didn’t hit me
G: Well, you had some leverage there (laughs)
M: My brothers used to say, “Mike you crazy man, you crazy.” And then when I would go to sleep at night he would see that I was scared. He would be banging on our windows and stuff and open the windows like he was going to break in and stuff
G: That’s horrible, that’s an awful thing for-
M: You read about that in the book, you read it.
G: oh, Michael it’s been a while since I’ve read that book, I don’t remember everything.
M: He used to scare us when we was little. When we were asleep and we had to get up early in the mornings. We had to have rehearsals before we went to school. God, and he banged on the windows and we looked out the windows and he had a monster mask on (G gasps) and “Mother, mother, mother, there’s a monster!”
G: How horrible
M: And we’d get in trouble for crying
G: That’s awful. That’s really sick and twisted. I can’t even relate to somebody that does stuff like that. But it didn’t affect your brother’s the same way it did you, huh?
M:Wellll… (silence) I seen my brothers, you know, when we were traveling and stuff and doing the circuit and all that. Joseph would be in another room messing with a girl and it was obvious they were having sex
M: I know… but I didn’t wanna tell mother, and Marlon and I didn’t wanna tell them but.. all my brothers kind of just… did the same thing, so, Joseph…
G: Are any of your brothers still married? Or isn’t everybody married right now?
M: well, they broke up but, Marlon and Carol have been, they’re trying to work it out. I admire Carol because Marlon was gonna divorce her but she still wanted to make it work
G: And Jermaine, what is he doing?
M: Oh GOD…
G: laughs
M: I remember, like I told you before, when Marlon and I had to share a room with Jermaine and Bill was asleep. Jermaine would have girls up there all the time screwing and stuff. I always said I’d never and Marlon said the same thing… I felt so guilty when we used to home from the circuit and stuff before we made it, y’know we used to do the club circuits and stuff. I felt so guilty, and I just cried and Joseph choked me, almost broke my arm one day. But he was proud of it. It’s like, (Joseph’s voice) “Oh, this is what you should do, boy.” I mean, he didn’t say that but he was screwin’ women in the other room and stuff.
G: What an awful thing to witness. From your father, your role model. (sighs) Especially doing stuff to your mom. What an awful thing.
M: Mother would say when we came home, she and the girls would be in there you know, waitin’ back at the house and all happy, Joseph’s back!. Joseph would come home, so glad to see mother. It’d just make me sick. And then Jackie and everyone, they started doing that. I told this girl – Jackie saw her when we were on stage (I). I told this girl, I said, “Don’t go with Jackie.” He found out and he went backstage and stuff and I said, “Don’t go with him, please don’t go with him.” She’s like, “Why?” I said, “Please don’t go with him, he’s gonna hurt you.” So, she went. She met him. She was a virgin. And he had sex with her and stuff like that. And in the limo, we were in the limo. And they were gonna take this girl home. Like, I said, “Why did you do that? Why you didn’t just listen to me? Why did you do that? Why did you go with him?” And she was just crying. I said, “Did he hurt you?” and she said, “No. But he told me after we had sex that he never wanted to see me again.” I said, “why did you go with him? I told you backstage don’t go with him.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson on Oprah, February 1993 ]

Oprah : So I’m wondering for you, being this cute little boy who everybody adored and everybody who comes up to you they’re pulling your cheeks and how cute, how adolescence going through that duck stage where everything’s awkward, and I’m wondering when you started to go through adolescence having been this child superstar, was that a particularly difficult time for you?
Michael : Very. Very, very difficult, yes. Because I think every child star suffers through this period because you’re not the cute and charming child that you were. You start to grow, and they want to keep you little forever.
Oprah : Who’s they?
Michael : The public. And um, nature takes its course.
Oprah : It does?
Michael : Yes, and I had pimples so badly it used to make me so shy, I used not to look at myself, I’d hide my face in the dark, I wouldn’t want to look in the mirror and my father teased me and I just hated it and I cried every day.
Oprah : Your father teased you about your pimples?
Michael : Yes and tell me I’m ugly.
Oprah : Your father would say that?
Michael : Yes he would. Sorry Joseph.
Oprah : What’s your relationship like with him?
Michael : I love my father but I don’t know him.
Oprah : Are you angry with him for doing that? I think that’s pretty cruel actually.
Michael : Am I angry with him?
Oprah : Because adolescence is hard enough without a parent telling you that you’re ugly.
Michael : Am I angry with him? Sometimes I do get angry. I don’t know him the way I’d like to know him. My mother’s wonderful. To me she’s perfection. I just wish I could understand my father.
Oprah : And so let’s talk about those teen years. Is that when you started to go inside yourself? Because obviously you haven’t spoken to the world for 14 years. So you went inside, you became a recluse. Was it to protect yourself?
Michael : I felt there wasn’t anything important for me to say and those were very sad, sad years for me.
Oprah : Why so sad? Because on stage you were performing, you were getting your Grammies. Why so sad?
Michael : Oh, there’s a lot of sadness about my past and adolescence, about my father and all of those things.
Oprah : So he would tease you, make fun of you.
Michael : Yes.
Oprah : Would he … did he ever beat you?
Michael : Yes.
Oprah : And why would he beat you?
Michael : He saw me, he wanted me … I guess I don’t know if I was his golden child or whatever it was, some may call it a strict disciplinarian or whatever, but he was very strict, very hard, very stern. Just a look would scare you, you know.
Oprah : And were you scared of him?
Michael : Very. Like there’s been times when he’d come to see me, I’d get sick, I’d start to regurgitate.
Oprah : As a child or as an adult?
Michael : Both. He’s never heard me say this. I’m sorry, please don’t be mad at me.
Oprah : Well, I mean, I suppose everybody has to take responsibility for what they’ve done in life. And your father is one of those people who also have to take responsibility.
Michael : But I do love him.
Oprah : Yes, I understand this.
Michael : And I am forgiving. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson, Oxford Union Speech, March 2001 ]

All of us are products of our childhood. But I am the product of a lack of a childhood, an absence of that precious and wondrous age when we frolic playfully without a care in the world, basking in the adoration of parents and relatives, where our biggest concern is studying for that big spelling test come Monday morning.

Those of you who are familiar with the Jackson Five know that I began performing at the tender age of five and that ever since then, I haven’t stopped dancing or singing. But while performing and making music undoubtedly remain as some of my greatest joys, when I was young I wanted more than anything else to be a typical little boy. I wanted to build tree houses, have water balloon fights, and play hide and seek with my friends. But fate had it otherwise and all I could do was envy the laughter and playtime that seemed to be going on all around me.

You probably weren’t surprised to hear that I did not have an idyllic childhood. The strain and tension that exists in my relationship with my own father is well documented. My father is a tough man and he pushed my brothers and me hard, from the earliest age, to be the best performers we could be.

He had great difficulty showing affection. He never really told me he loved me. And he never really complimented me either. If I did a great show, he would tell me it was a good show. And if I did an OK show, he told me it was a lousy show.

He seemed intent, above all else, on making us a commercial success. And at that he was more than adept. My father was a managerial genius and my brothers and I owe our professional success, in no small measure, to the forceful way that he pushed us. He trained me as a showman and under his guidance I couldn’t miss a step.

But what I really wanted was a Dad. I wanted a father who showed me love. And my father never did that. He never said I love you while looking me straight in the eye, he never played a game with me. He never gave me a piggyback ride, he never threw a pillow at me, or a water balloon.

But I remember once when I was about four years old, there was a little carnival and he picked me up and put me on a pony. It was a tiny gesture, probably something he forgot five minutes later. But because of that moment I have this special place in my heart for him. Because that’s how kids are, the little things mean so much to them and for me, that one moment meant everything. I only experienced it that one time, but it made me feel really good, about him and the world.

But now I am a father myself, and one day I was thinking about my own children, Prince and Paris and how I wanted them to think of me when they grow up. To be sure, I would like them to remember how I always wanted them with me wherever I went, how I always tried to put them before everything else. But there are also challenges in their lives. Because my kids are stalked by paparazzi, they can’t always go to a park or a movie with me.

So what if they grow older and resent me, and how my choices impacted their youth? Why weren’t we given an average childhood like all the other kids, they might ask? And at that moment I pray that my children will give me the benefit of the doubt. That they will say to themselves: “Our daddy did the best he could, given the unique circumstances that he faced. He may not have been perfect, but he was a warm and decent man, who tried to give us all the love in the world.”

I hope that they will always focus on the positive things, on the sacrifices I willingly made for them, and not criticise the things they had to give up, or the errors I’ve made, and will certainly continue to make, in raising them. For we have all been someone’s child, and we know that despite the very best of plans and efforts, mistakes will always occur. That’s just being human.

And when I think about this, of how I hope that my children will not judge me unkindly, and will forgive my shortcomings, I am forced to think of my own father and despite my earlier denials, I am forced to admit that me must have loved me. He did love me, and I know that.

There were little things that showed it. When I was a kid I had a real sweet tooth – we all did. My favourite food was glazed doughnuts and my father knew that. So every few weeks I would come downstairs in the morning and there on the kitchen counter was a bag of glazed doughnuts – no note, no explanation – just the doughnuts. It was like Santa Claus.

Sometimes I would think about staying up late at night, so I could see him leave them there, but just like with Santa Claus, I didn’t want to ruin the magic for fear that he would never do it again. My father had to leave them secretly at night, so as no one might catch him with his guard down. He was scared of human emotion, he didn’t understand it or know how to deal with it. But he did know doughnuts.

And when I allow the floodgates to open up, there are other memories that come rushing back, memories of other tiny gestures, however imperfect, that showed that he did what he could. So tonight, rather than focusing on what my father didn’t do, I want to focus on all the things he did do and on his own personal challenges. I want to stop judging him.

I have started reflecting on the fact that my father grew up in the South, in a very poor family. He came of age during the Depression and his own father, who struggled to feed his children, showed little affection towards his family and raised my father and his siblings with an iron fist. Who could have imagined what it was like to grow up a poor black man in the South, robbed of dignity, bereft of hope, struggling to become a man in a world that saw my father as subordinate. I was the first black artist to be played on MTV and I remember how big a deal it was even then. And that was in the 80s!

My father moved to Indiana and had a large family of his own, working long hours in the steel mills, work that kills the lungs and humbles the spirit, all to support his family. Is it any wonder that he found it difficult to expose his feelings? Is it any mystery that he hardened his heart, that he raised the emotional ramparts? And most of all, is it any wonder why he pushed his sons so hard to succeed as performers, so that they could be saved from what he knew to be a life of indignity and poverty?

I have begun to see that even my father’s harshness was a kind of love, an imperfect love, to be sure, but love nonetheless. He pushed me because he loved me. Because he wanted no man ever to look down at his offspring.

And now with time, rather than bitterness, I feel blessing. In the place of anger, I have found absolution. And in the place of revenge I have found reconciliation. And my initial fury has slowly given way to forgiveness.

– Aside: Michael speaks about how much his father giving him doughnuts meant to him as a child, in his demo for the song “Give Into Me” recorded sometime around 1990-1991, he sings the line, “Love is a doughnut.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson and Rabbi Shmuley, 2000/1 ]

Text for the book

SB: Michael, some people have written that your father used to say that you were ugly. Is that true?
MJ: Uh-huh. He used to make fun of… I remember we were on a plane one time, ready to take off, and I was going through an awkward puberty when your features start to change. And he went, “Ugh, you have a big nose. You didn’t get it from me.” He didn’t realize how much that hurt me. It hurt me so bad, I wanted to die.
SB: Was that a hostile remark aimed at your mother, “You didn’t get it from me?”
MJ: I don’t know what he was trying to say.
SB: Don’t you think your father instilled in you a belief that you are not handsome? So you tried to change your appearance a bit, and you are still not happy. So really you have to begin to love your appearance and yourself and all of that.
MJ: I know. I wish I could.
SB: We all have problems with our appearance… The other night, Thursday night, you looked fantastic [Michael had gotten all dressed up for Denise Rich’s Angel Ball cancer fundraiser]. You were the best looking guy there. So you don’t like being photographed?
MJ: I wish I could never be photographed and I wish I could never be seen. Just for entertainment so I design the dance the way I want it to look, and film the way I want it to look.
SB: Now you want to do movies?
MJ: I love movies, but I can control it, you see. I can’t control how those pictures come out with the lighting and my expression at the time. Arggh.
SB: If a child said that to you, “I hate being photographed,” what would you say to that child?
MJ: I would say, “You don’t know how beautiful you are. It’s your spirit that’s…”
SB: So why are you prepared to say that to everybody except yourself?
MJ: I don’t know. [He said this in a voice of confusion and resignation]

MJ: I have thrown up in his presence because when he comes in the room and this aura comes and my stomach starts hurting and I know I am in trouble. He is so different now. Time and age has changed him and he sees his grandchildren and he wants to be a better father. It is almost like the ship has sailed its course, and it is so hard for me to accept this other guy that is not the guy I was raised with. I just wished he had learned that earlier.
SB: So why are you still scared?
MJ: Because the scar is still there, the wound.
SB: So you still see him as the first man. It is hard for you to see him as this new man?
MJ: I can’t see him as the new man. I am like an angel in front of him, like scared. One day he said to me, “Why are you scared of me?” I couldn’t answer him. I felt like saying, “Do you know what you have done?” [voice breaks] “Do you know what you have done to me?”

Rabbi Shmuley: There was no one on Michael’s mind more than his father Joseph, no one. His father came up constantly, usually in painful, negative stories.

Jackson told Shmuley that growing up, he and his siblings would dread the moment their father came home.
Michael Jackson: We’d hear his car comin’ the driveway. He always drove a big Mercedes and he drives real slow. “Joseph’s home, Joseph’s home, quick!” Doors slam, everybody runs to their room.

Like there’s sometimes I’d be in bed at night sleeping, it’s 12 at night. The door is locked. He said, “I’m giving you five seconds, you don’t open, I’m going to kick it down.” And he starts kicking it, boom! Like breaking the door down. Why didn’t you sign that contract today? I go, “I don’t know.” He goes, “Well, sign it. If you don’t sign it, you are in trouble.”
Rabbi Shmuley: So you would sign?

Michael Jackson: I had to! He would, he was very physical. He’d throw you and hit you as hard as he can.
Michael Jackson: He was rough. The way he would beat you, you know, was hard, you know. Sometime he take, um, he would make you strip nude first. He would oil you down. It would be a whole ritual. He would oil you down so when the flip of the ironing cord hit you, you know. And it would just like be dying and you had whips all over your face, your back, everywhere. And I always hear my mother, “No, Joe! You’re gonna kill ‘em. You’re gonna kill ‘em, no!” I would just give up, like there was nothing I could do, you know? And I, and I hated him for it, hated him.
Rabbi Shmuley: Did you begin to feel that you were like a moneymaking machine for him?
Michael Jackson: Yes. I’ll never forget it, one day he said, “If you guys ever stop singing, I’ll drop you like a hot potato.” That’s what he said. It hurt me. You don’t say that to children and I never forgot it. You would think he would think, ‘These kids have a heart and feelings.’ Wouldn’t he think that would hurt us? If I said something like that to Prince and Paris, that would hurt. You don’t say something like that to children and I never forgot it. It affects my relationship with him today.”

Michael Jackson: I never felt love from him. And he would never hold me or touch me.

That’s the real truth. I wanted people to love me, truly love me, because I never really felt loved. I said I know I have an ability. Maybe if I sharpened my craft, maybe people will love me more. I just wanted to be loved because I think it is very important to be loved and to tell people that you love them and to look in their eyes and say it.

Rabbi Shmuley: He only has one memory of his father ever doing anything loving for him as a child. He was about 5 years old. He was at a carnival. And his father picked him up and put him on a horse. And he said he has relived that moment almost every day of his life. Michael learned the devastating effects of neglecting a child.Jackson told Shmuley his sadness created a torment so wrenching that he and his siblings even fantasized about their father being dead.
Michael Jackson: We used to say to our mother, we used to say to each other, and I’ll never forget this. Janet and myself, we say, I would say, “Janet, shut your eyes.” She’d go, “Okay, they’re shut.” I’d say, “Picture Joseph in a coffin. He’s dead. Did you feel sorry?” She’d go, “No.” That’s what we used to do to each other as kids. We’d like play games like that. She’d go, she’d go, “Nope.” Just like that. And that’s how hateful we were.

Jackson told Boteach he was still “scared of my father to this day.”
“My father walked in the room — and God knows I am telling the truth — I have fainted in his presence many times. I have fainted once to be honest. I have thrown up in his presence because when he comes in the room and this aura comes and my stomach starts hurting and I know I am in trouble. He is so different now. Time and age has changed him and he sees his grandchildren and he wants to be a better father. It is almost like the ship has sailed its course, and it is so hard for me to accept this other guy that is not the guy I was raised with. I just wished he had learned that earlier.” [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson, Bashir, February 2003 ]

MJ: I didn’t… have it that hard, because he used me as the example. It was like, “do it like Michael.” And he practiced us with a belt in his hand. And if you missed a step… expect to be, uh, (Michael mimics whip noises).
Bashir: Just let me go back… you just said that you practiced the dance steps and your father would be holding a belt in his hand, is that what you just said?
MJ: Yes. He would tear you up if you missed. So not only were we practicing, we were nervous rehearsing, because he sat in the chair, and he had this belt in his hand and if you didn’t do it the right way he would tear you up. We would get hit. I got it a lot of times, but I think my brother Marlon got it the most, because he had a hard time at first, he tried so hard. It was always, “do it like, Michael! Do it like Michael!” You know? But the others were very nervous and I was nervous too, you know, ’cause he was… he was tough.
Bashir: How often would he beat you?
MJ: Too much.
Bashir: Would he only use a belt?
MJ: (starts crying) Why do you do this to me? No, more than a belt.
Bashir: What else would he use to hit you with?
MJ: Ironing cords, whatever’s around. Throw you up against a wall as hard as he could. See, it’s one thing to…
Bashir: But you were only a child.
MJ: I know.
Bashir: You were a baby.
MJ: I know. It’s one thing to discipline a child but…
Bashir: You were producing successful records.
MJ: I know. He would lose his temper. I just remember hearing my mother scream, “Joe, you’re gonna kill him. You’re gonna kill him. Stop it, you’re gonna kill him.” And I was so fast, he couldn’t catch me half the time, but when he would catch me, “Oh my god.” It was bad. It was really bad. We were terrified, you know, terrified. I can’t tell you. I don’t think he realized to this day, how scared, scared… I was scared. So scared I would regurgitate.
Bashir: You would vomit?
MJ: Mhmm.
Bashir: When would you vomit? What would produce that sort of reaction in you?
MJ: His presence.

Bashir: Did your father and your brothers tease you about your appearance, as an adolescent?
MJ: My father did. And some cousins did.
Bashir: What did your father say?
MJ: Oh God. It was pretty embarrassing. They used to tease me real bad about it.
Bashir: It’s cruel, isn’t it?
MJ: Yeah. It used to hurt me. I don’t think he realized how much he would hurt me.
Bashir: What sort of thing would he say?
MJ: He would tease me about how I looked and he would say, “Well, you didn’t get it from my side of the family. Must’ve been from Kate-” Kate, he would always say, meaning my mother. “You didn’t get that from me, you must’ve got that from her.“ [/EXPAND] [/EXPAND] [EXPAND How The Abuse Affected The Others: Siblings Involvement In Domestic Violence ]

Jackie Jackson

Montreal Gazette, 10 Jan 1986

Enid filed for divorce, charging her husband struck her once and threatened her with violence on other occasions.

Enid Jackson won a court order Wednesday barring Jackson, 34, from their home. She said he hit her Nov 25th bruising her.

Montreal Gazette, May 1986

The estranged wife of Jackie Jackson says the singer – Michael Jackson’s oldest brother – spent money from the family’s corporate funds on girlfriends and extravagant trips. Enid Jackson has filed court papers saying Jackson spent $16,000 on a car for a woman who is a cheerleader for the LA Lakers and another $10,000 on trips to the Super Bowl and the NBA all star game. Spokesmen and attorneys for the singer could not be reached for comment. Mrs Jackson filed for divorce in January and won a court order throwing the singer out of their Encino home because he allegedly beat her.

Randy Jackson

Randy Jackson getting shot at by Tina Turner because of his abusive relationship with Bernadette Swann, from the book “The Real T: My 22 years with Tina Turner” written by her assistant Eddy Hampton Armani

‘I’ve been dating Michael Jackson’s brother Randy,” Bernadette said.

Tina cut her off by saying, ‘Bernadette, why do you keep messing with Randy Jackson? And why didn’t you phone me and tell me all this stuff before?’

“I haven’t called you because Randy is insanely jealous. I mean crazy.
Because you and me are so close, he kept accusing me of having an affair with you and said he’d kill me if he found out I saw or spoke to you. I told him you and me are like family and that his accusations were totally untrue. I dunno, he just has thing in his head.”

Bernadette sipped some water and continued, “As long as he was still living with his girlfriend things were fine, but as soon as his girlfriend left him and moved out, Randy became more possessive than ever. Once we started being together on a full-time basis, I saw the other side of him. He started grabbing me by the arm and shaking me.”

“He never beat me, but I sensed it might happen soon and he really scared me. Anyway, we got into a big argument today and he went all wild-eyed. He walked towards me, looking like he was going to kill me. I got shit scared and ran for my life. And… uhm… here I am.”

Bernadette’s eyes were now red from crying, and she asked Tina if she could use the phone.

Tina replied, “Don’t call him! Don’t! You poor girl. All I see is me. This is the way I used to be. Why do you want the phone, to ring Randy?”

”Nooo. I won’t call him.” She fidgeted for a moment and asked,”Tina,can I go to the kitchen and get something to eat?”

”Sure, Bernadette, you know where everything is. Make yourself at home.”

As soon as Bernadette stepped out of the room, Tina whispered to Lejeune and me, ”She’s not getting anything from the kitchen, she’s going to phone Randy. Mark my words. I know… I know because I used to do the same thing with Ike.”

”Just watch the phone, you’ll see. The light will go on.” We all stared at the phone and five seconds later, the button illuminated. Tina slapped her thigh, exclaiming ”What did I tell you? I knew she’d phone him. I knew it. Poor girl, I used to do the same thing with Ike.”

When the light went off, we scampered back to what we were doing so Bernadette wouldn’t know we were any the wiser. She walked into the bedroom and everyone started talking, with Tina proudly telling Lejeune and Bernadette about Craig’s Naval graduation ceremony the day before. Bernadette, who was still very fond of Craig, held on to Tina’s every word of the event.

Finally, a little shamedfaced, Bernadette looked down at her slim fingers and admitted, ”I… I phoned Randy when I went to the kitchen.”

None of us said a word and her eyes darted at each one of us before she continued, ”Randy’s got a lot of emotional problems. His family is crumbling fast. They’re all at each others throats since Michael split from the family.”

“And there’s some things about Randy that are weird. He’s uhm, a little sick… sexually.”‘ I fled out of the bathroom with a towel under some dripping strands of hair and Lejeune froze mid-braid while Tina’s eyes widened.

Bernadette had our undivided attention as she told us of her sex life with Randy. When she told us what he made her do, sexually, we all paled. I actually had to sit down for a moment because the details made me feel ill. I could practically see Tina’s skin crawling. Her voice hoarse with distress, she said to Bernadette, ”Why? Girl, why do you do it?” Tina took a few moments to recompose herself but she still sounded a little shocked as she added, ”Bernadette, you have to get rid of that man. You’ve just got to.”

We were all snapped out of our state of shock by the ringing of the

I answered the call to find Randy Jackson on the line and Tina flipped. ”Damn it, Bernadette,why did you give that sick bastard my phone number?” Bernadette ran to the kitchen to take the call in privacy while Tina twitched with anger and nerves.

Suddenly we could hear Bernadette screaming, ”Randy, I’m not coming back. You lied and lied and lied to me…” Tina, Lejeune and I tiptoed towards the kitchen, hiding around a corner so we could eavesdrop on every word. Bernadette ranted on then slammed the phone down, leaving us scampering back to the bedroom to retake our positions as if we had been there all along

Bernadette returned to the bedroom shaking, her face twitching with fear. Her voice shaking, she said, ”I can’t go back to him. He knows my every movement, he follows and stalks me. I mean, I can come out of a food store or the gym and he’ll be there, hiding behind something just watching. ”

She rubbed the goosebumps on her arms and said, “He phones around and checks up on me to see if I’m where I said I was going… and he picks and choose who I’m allowed to see…”

The phone rang again and Tina grabbed it, calmly but firmly stating, ”Do not phone my house again. She does not want to speak to you tonight and I’m sure you two can sort things out tomorrow. Meantime you are not welcome to phone my home.”

She slammed the receiver down. An hour and half passed. Suddenly the doorbell rang.

We all glanced at each other, I pressed the buzzer, asking who was there. The uninvited visitor replied, “This is Randy Jackson. Is Bernadette there?” I replied, “She’s left.” Randy frantically replied, “I know she’s there. I know she is! I’ve got to see her. I’ve got to come in.”

She pounced on the intercom button and barked, ”You ring my buzzer one more time and I call the police. You are to leave my property immediately.” Tina slowly paced her bedroom with her arms folded across her chest. I knew she was silently chanting to herself to calm her anger.

She let out a few deep breaths and paused in front of the vast sliding glass doors, the light from her bedroom casting her shadow onto the garden of her dream home. She paused for a moment, enjoying the stunning moonlit view of the tree- filled terracotta pot garden in bloom.

Tina glared disapprovingly at Bernadette, chastising her with her angry eyes as she repositioned herself in front of her large make-up mirror. She was fed up with Bernadette and made no effort to hide her disappointment while making her feelings clear to the girl who was once her son’s fiancée.

To make her point, Tina lifted her index finger and wagged it furiously her trademark red nails glistening as she spoke.

”Bernadette, I don’t know why you keep messing with these guys. And after all the things you’ve seen and all the things I’ve told you.” As soon as we saw Tina wag her finger, we knew she meant business and knew to stay silent. Bernadette quietly wept and mopped the tears from the corners of her eyes while Tina delivered a stern lecture.

”So why did you bother with him in the first place? Because he’s Michael Jackson’s brother? That doesn’t mean anything. That Randy Jackson’s no good! He’s like any other man getting their kicks scaring their women. And you put up with him running his mouth all over town saying you and me are lesbian lovers. Who does he think he is?”

Tina’s hand reached for a glass of white wine. She took a large sip and pursed her angry lips. ”And you gave him my phone number and address. How dare he keep pressing my intercom. If he presses that intercom one more time, I’ll call the police. He’d better get off my property.”

Alone, I listened to Tina as she continued delivering the motherly lecture to Bernadette, nodding my head in agreement. ‘Bernadette, let me tell you something, you’ve got yourself an Ike Turner, You better get rid of him. I know you’re scared. Aaagh!” Tina was furious, and she threw her hands up in disgust. ”I know what it’s like, Bernadette, It’s best for you if you stay here tonight. Just make sure you get rid of that Randy Jackson first thing tomorrow.”

But no sooner had Tina spoken, than the noisy shuffling of footsteps could be heard outside. I paused and watched her from across the bedroom. The worry on her face was unmistakable. Bernadette had already scared the daylights out of us with horrifying stories of Randy’s violence. Lejeune and Tina remained still and silent as the intrusive sounds outside continued. There was a momentary eeriness, and then, without warning, one of Tina’s huge, treasured terracotta pots burst through the glass doors, exploding on impact.

Shards of razor-sharp glass sprayed like darts throughout the bedroom. There was soil and terra cotta everywhere. Everything else that followed seemed to happen so quickly.

Randy Jackson leapt through the broken window and paused for a moment breathing and sweating heavily. Then, as he moved, glass fragments on Tina’s plush cream carpet could be heard crunching beneath his hard determined steps. He seemed possessed, and his wild eyes rapidly scanned the bedroom. It only took a split second to focus on what he had come for. Like an animal stalking prey, he walked towards Bernadette muttering like a crazy man about how much he loved and needed her.

In all the years I had spent with Tina, she had drilled me over and over on certain safety procedures should an intruder gain entry into her home. We always thought if it happened, it would be her ex-husband Ike. On this particular day, we were wrong. Worse still, everyone froze in shock, forgetting Tina’s meticulous safety drill.

The only one to spring to action was Tina herself.

She calmly and purposefully walked into the bedroom, where her eyes immediately darted to the framed pictures on her bedside table where she hid her loaded handgun. Without looking away from the table, her hand whipped out with shocking speed and grabbed a second gun-a shotgun- from behind the freestanding oval antique mirror just next to her.

She cocked the weapon, then turned and aimed the loaded barrel at Randy Jackson’s head. Her body stiff and her aim steady, she said with true determination, “Freeze or I’ll blow your brains out.”

Randy did stop, but only for a split second. Locking eyes with Tina, he ignored her warning, and lunged for Bernadette.

Tina, still several feet away from Randy, raised the gun a blew a hole in the ceiling. Randy, his face a mask of brutality, charged straight at Tina like a raging bull.

Still in total control, Tina moved the barrel slightly to the side and fired towards the doorway.

She pointed the gun at Randy.

Randy, suddenly terrified, leapt through the broken windows, fleeing for his life.

There was a silence as we all stood, shocked by the scene we had just witnessed. Then Bernadette snapped out of her trance and raced in hot pursuit of her lover.

Tina, Lejeune and I stood in stark amazement listening to the voices in the distance. Bernadette’s voice was breathless and tearful as she professed her love and loyalty to Randy. Only then did Tina’s body start shaking, and although in shock, she had the presence of mind to press the panic button beside her bed. Like a robot, I handed Tina a white towel which she numbly wrapped her half-finished head of hair. Lejeune, whom I had rarely seen touch any form of alcohol over the many years I had known her uncharacteristically swigged straight from the bottle of wine.

Over the next few minutes none of our eyes met. We couldn’t believe what had just happened. Like zombies, we stepped over the debris of the elegant bedroom which now looked as if a bomb had hit it.

Barely able to breathe, we all sat on the bed, completely stunned. It wasn’t until we heard the police sirens in the distance that we snapped back to reality. Tina, still slightly dazed, nervously ran her sweating palms down her thighs, smoothing the fabric of her designer knit sweat suit. She glanced at herself in the mirror and took several deep breaths, calming herself. Then she held her head high and adjusted the towel tightly wrapped over her hair in readiness to deal with uniformed officers.

After the police took their report and asked Tina if she would press charges, they left us to get on with the task of clearing away debris not to mention the fact that we still had a long way to go in finishing Tina’s hair.

Randy phoned to apologise to Tina but she said, ”I have nothing to say to you. Don’t ever use my number again. I have given the police all the details they need to contact you.” Then she put the phone down.

Bernadette phoned too, and apologized over and over, begging Tina not to press charges on Randy. While an emergency service busied themselves boarding up and temporarily making safe the door area of Tina’s bedroom, Tina coldly told Bernadette on the phone, ”Bernadette, I can no longer have you around me.”


The following day, a man arrived with an envelope with several thousand dollars sent from Randy Jackson to cover expenses due to the damage caused by his breaking and entering. Tina refused the cash, firmly saying, “I don’t do things this way.”

Tina, after discussing things with Roger, decided not to press charges. Roger very rightly felt that Tina’s reputation would be damaged and people might think she was like Ike Turner. By not pressing charges, it did not make the newspapers and the incident became a matter of police record.

Randy Jackson confirmed it on twitter, 2nd of July 2011

randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
This is something many of u probably don’t know…

Yes, Tina Turner shot me. I have the scar to prove it.

Having said that, there was no violence on my part, nor have I ever owned or carried a weapon.

I went to Tina’s house to see my girlfriend. I guess I caught them off guard. Hmmm…. Next question.

It was in the Eighties. And I don’t hold a grudge against Tina, she’s a great artist an asset to our industry.

Arrested for domestic abuse on his wife and daughter, New Straits Times, November 1991

Stephen Randall “Randy” Jackson was sentenced Thursday to 30 days in jail for beating his wife and infant daughter. The same day, his defense attorney.

“Mrs Jackson phoned authorities to report that her husband was pushing and punching her and the baby.”

Jermaine Jackson

“Jackson Family Values” biography by Margaret Maldonado (Jermaine’s ex-girlfriend and mother to two of his children), November 1995

Given the way the Jackson children were raised, I should not have been surprised when Jermaine started to spank Jeremy and Jourdynn with increased frequency and force. I begged him to stop, telling him that we weren’t in Gary Indiana and that he wasn’t his father.

To my surprise, Katherine didn’t back me up. She sided with Jermaine, reciting the old chestnut, “spare the reed, spoil the child.”

LaToya Jackson

In 1987 Joe Jackson introduced LaToya to Jack Gordon.

On September 5, 1989, after her Sizzling Spectacular concert in Nevada, Gordon forcibly married Jackson, claiming it was for her own protection against kidnapping by her family. La Toya Jackson states that this was both unplanned and against her wishes. According to Jackson; “I told him, ‘No way, Jack! I can’t marry you. You know what marriage means to me. I’ve never been in love; I don’t even date…. It’s not right. I don’t love you. I don’t have feelings for you.'” Jackson tried to run out of the chapel three times but bodyguard Antonio Rossi grabbed her saying, “There’s some things you have to do. Even if you don’t want to.” Jackson told Ebony magazine the marriage was “strictly in name only. It has never been consummated.” Six months into the marriage, Jackson asked Gordon for an annulment when in Rome, Italy. In response, Gordon repeatedly bashed her head against the corner of the hotel room table saying that he would never let her go. Paparazzi subsequently photographed Jackson with black eyes, which Gordon claimed was caused by an intruder.

For roughly the next decade Gordon controlled Jackson with threats, lies, and routine violence. According to Jackson, “When he hit me, the first time I was in shock, I just recalled my ear ringing, just ringing so hard.” Gordon confiscated Jackson’s passport, transferred her bank accounts into his name, hired bodyguards to watch La Toya constantly and banned her from speaking to or seeing her family, monitoring her every phone call. La Toya’s father Joseph stated in his book The Jacksons that he believed Gordon brainwashed La Toya and made her fearful of her own family. Katherine also believed that La Toya had been brainwashed while Gordon claimed that Katherine had tried to kill her daughter. Sister Janet concurred with her parents saying at the time, “I think this guy who is with her has brainwashed her and made her like this… He keeps her away from the family, and now he’s brainwashed her so much she keeps herself away from us.”

In 1993 in their New York home, Gordon beat Jackson repeatedly with a heavy brass dining room chair, leaving Jackson with black eyes, swollen lip and chin “the size of a clenched fist,” cuts requiring 12 mouth stitches and contusions on her face, arms, legs and back. Jackson lost consciousness during the beating, leading Gordon to believe she was dead. She recalled, “He called his friends and said, ‘She’s dead. I killed her,’ because I was lying in a puddle of blood and I was out.” Gordon was arrested but then released, claiming he beat Jackson in self defense.

In December 1993 Gordon hastily arranged a press conference in Tel Aviv, where he had Jackson read a statement claiming to believe the sensational sex abuse allegation against her younger brother Michael might be true. This was an abrupt reversal of her previous defense of Michael against the charges. Gordon claimed La Toya had proof which she was prepared to disclose for a fee of $500,000. A bidding war between US and UK tabloids began, but fell through when they realized that her revelations were not what she had claimed them to be. According to La Toya, Gordon threatened to have siblings Michael and Janet killed if she didn’t follow his orders.

In 1996, Gordon attempted to force Jackson to dance at a Cleveland, Ohio, strip club. She refused to do so and in return, was booed and heckled by the predominantly male crowd. When Jackson became aware that Gordon was planning to feature her in a pornographic film she decided she’d had enough. Jackson phoned brother Randy who flew to New York to help her escape while Gordon was out. Only days later, La Toya filed for divorce from Las Vegas and sued Gordon in civil court for years of abuse under the Violence Against Women Act.

According to La Toya, Michael knew that she was forced to attack him in the press against her will and he did not blame her. “He never held any of that against me, I remember when I’d got away from this total hell I’d been through where I’d been beaten, abused, controlled and forced to say those terrible things about Michael, which I didn’t for a moment believe, he held out his arms and just hugged me. I was crying saying: ‘I’m so sorry, I’m so sorry.’ He just held me tight and said: ‘I am your brother, I always knew it wasn’t you saying those words. [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Michael Jackson’s Friendships With Other People Who Had Experienced Childhood Abuse ]

Tatum O’Neal; child star, abusive father, he once punched her in the face after she was nominated for an Oscar for Paper Hearts, punched his son in the face so hard he lost a tooth, absent drug addict mother

Synopsis of her autobiography, “A Paper Life”

Although Tatum at times shares a magical relationship with her father, his chaotic and temperamental moods turn ugly. When Tatum is given the role of Addie in Paper Moon (co-starring dear old dad) Ryan can barely contain his jealousy when Tatum wins accolades and an Oscar nomination. According to Tatum her father punched her in the face when he heard of her nomination. On Oscar night when Tatum was the youngest winner in history neither of her parents attended the ceremony.

Through the years living with her father Tatum recounts incidents in which she is molested, her father sleeps with her best friend, her father sleeps with numerous women and serious drug use/abuse occurs. Tatum recounts her low self esteem as a adolescent and her growing alienation from her father. She details her father’s relationship with Farrah Fawcett and the major rift that began to develop with her father during that period. Tatum writes about meeting John McEnroe and about their tempestuous relationship which yielded three children. The author paints a chilling portrayal of her own addication, the destruction of her marriage, the loss of her children and the way in which she rebuilt her life.

Brooke Shields; child star, alcoholic mother who allowed her pre-teen daughter to pose nude and semi-nude in photos and movies

Life Magazine, March 2007

Brooke: “I left abruptly when I was 28. Growing independently of her (Teri) really changed my perspective. I have more empathy. I appreciate her more because she did shelter me from a lot, and she took the rap for it. But she’s an alcoholic, and that affects everything. And she’s very sad. We talk every day, but I have to draw a line. Or I get pulled back in.”

Brooke, Love Magazine, UK, Autumn/Winter 2010

In the remarkably candid interview, Shields also discusses her relationship with Michael Jackson and described the King of Pop’s father, Joe Jackson, as the “devil incarnate.”

Elizabeth Taylor; child star, abusive father lead to her getting an early marriage to an abusive husband.


Says his most famous ally, Elizabeth Taylor: “I know some of the pain Michael goes through. I’ve been there. It takes, I think a fellow sufferer, a fellow survivor, to understand.”

On Oprah, February 1993

Oprah: And why do you think you all are such good friends? What has brought about this kind of bond? Because people try to make this weird.
Elizabeth: Well it’s not. I mean our childhoods are very similar, and we had that from the very beginning in common. Um, I was a child star at nine, had an abusive father, um, and that kind of brought us together in the very beginning.

Joint interview with Theroux, 1999

We talked about the famous Neverland wedding, about Larry Fortensky, whom Michael said he liked. About Elizabeth as an inspiration, and about how she supported her family from the age of nine.

“I did that too. My father took the money.”

“But there’s some moment in childhood when one feels particularly vulnerable. Did you feel that? Elizabeth said that she felt she was owned by the studio.”

“Sometimes really late at night we’d have to go out – it might be three in the morning – to do a show. My father made us. I was seven or eight. Some of these were clubs or private parties at people’s houses. We’d have to perform.” This was in Chicago, New York, Indiana, Philadelphia, all over the country. “I’d be sleeping and I’d hear my father. ‘Get up! There’s a show!”‘

MJ about Elizabeth, Shmuley Tapes, 2000/1

“Our fathers were very much alike, tough, hard, brutal.”

Elizabeth, New York Times, Sept 29 2002

Ms. Taylor said that she and Mr. Jackson share more than just the experience of child stardom.

”I can tell him things that I wouldn’t tell anybody else,” she said. ”He had one of the worst childhoods. I think I had the second.”

She had no playmates and was isolated, she said, educated by tutors. Her father, increasingly irrelevant in the shadow of her fame, was abusive, she said. ”That’s why I married so early,” she said. ”To get out of the house.”

That first marriage, to the hotel heir Nicky Hilton when she was 18, ended in months. He beat her so violently, she said, that she had a miscarriage.

”I couldn’t take his physical abuse or his mental abuse longer,” she said. (Ms. Taylor testified during her divorce proceedings from Hilton that he had been physically violent. It is not clear if Hilton, who died at 42, ever refuted her testimony.)

Macaulay Culkin; child star, emancipated himself from his parents at the age of 14

Culkin is the third of seven children. And while in the Home Alone films he has a loving family —, albeit occasionally absent — in real life, he says his father, Kit Culkin, was a constant and controlling presence. His mother stayed home with his brothers and sisters, his father traveled with him from one movie set to the next. Culkin’s father managed his son’s career and is said to have alienated most of Hollywood with his rages and excessive demands.

Culkin says his father’s treatment of him and his family mirrored the way he dealt with people in Hollywood. “He was very hard on me, and he would deny me certain things in my life.”

He says his father would not let him have his own room, forcing him and his brother to sleep on the couch.

“We didn’t even have our own bedroom,” he told Walters. “I mean, I was — I was making — forget about how much money I was making — but I was sleeping on the couch.

“I think it was just a way of him wanting to break my spirit,” he says. “He wanted me to know and my brother to know that he was in charge and if he didn’t want us to sleep on a bed, we weren’t gonna sleep on a bed.”

Culkin asserts his father established the hectic filming schedule he kept from 1990 to 1994. “I’ve done 14 films and I’ve never read one of the scripts,” he says. During the movie shoots, Culkin says he and his father would stay up every night, studying the lines the young actor would have to say the next day. It was, he says, all work and no play — a situation that discouraged the young star.

Although the young actor says his father promised to give his son a break from production, Kit Culkin continued to cast him in movies that were bombing at the box office. “I was actually very happy that they [Mac’s films] were not being as successful,” Culkin told Walters in the 2001 interview. “I was hoping — literally, I was hoping to disappear off the face of the Earth.”

Shortly after Kit Culkin decided to drop the custody battle, he disappeared. Culkin says he had not heard from his father in years, until the opening of Madame Melville when he received a telegram from him. He says he remains unsure if he would like to see him again.

“I think we understand each other in a way that most people can’t understand either of us,” Culkin said of Michael Jackson.

“Michael and I had an understanding about my father,” he told the British newspaper, The Guardian. “He knew what that was all about. He’d lived it.”

Culkin said he regretted not defending Jackson when the singer was accused of child molestation in 1993, a case in which no charges were ever filed. Santa Barbara prosecutors decided not to pursue the 1993 case after they said the alleged victim refused to testify.

The actor said he didn’t speak up for his friend because his father wouldn’t allow it.

“I would have liked to say something in his defense,” Culkin told the British paper. “I still wish I had.”

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MJ: Macaulay Culkin, who is wondering, “How did I get caught up in all of this? I never asked to be an actor.” He always wanted out. You gotta watch that energy when he gets heavy on his father, man, it tears into him and that’s what happens, you know. Oh, but I saw it myself with him. [Michael screams, imitating Macaulay’s father] “Mac get in here!” the screaming…

Jordie Chandler; came up with the idea for the movie “Robin Hood: Men In Tights” aged 11, emancipated himself from his parents at the age of about 14 after his father Evan set up the allegations against Michael, attacked from behind with 12lb weight, maced and choked by his father after Michael’s acquittal

Mel Brooks, LA Times, June 13 1993

The idea [for the movie] actually came from Chandler’s then 11-year-old son, Jordie.

Full transcript of Evan Chandler’s telephone conversation, takes place June 1993

EVAN: “And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I’ve checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody of the son]…and Michael’s career will be over.”

SCHWARTZ: “Does that help [the boy]?”

EVAN: “That’s irrelevant to me. It’s going to be bigger than all of us put together. The whole thing is going to crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in sight. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.”

Thomas Mesereau had witnesses lined up to testify that Jordie Chandler had told them that Michael had never molested him

“Now, the one you’re talking about never showed up. He’s the one who got a settlement in the early 90s. Now my understanding is that prosecutors tried to get him to show up and he wouldn’t. If he had, I had witnesses who were gonna come in and say he told them it never happened and that he would never talk to his parents again for what they made him say. It turned out he had gone to court and had legal emancipation from his parents. His mother testified and said she hadn’t talked to him in 11 years. So, you know, there was a problem there as well.”

Less than 2 months after Michael had been acquitted on all counts, on August 5th 2005 Jordie Chandler issued a restraining order against his father Evan Chandler after Evan attempted to kill him

“The judge found that plaintiff had proved that he and his father, the defendant, were members of the same household when defendant struck him on the head from behind with a twelve and one-half pound weight and then sprayed his eyes with mace or pepper spray and tried to choke him. The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death.”

When Evan Chandler committed suicide in November 2009, 5 months after MJ’s passing, nobody attended his funeral. None of his children, ex-wives and family had been interested in attending.

He also seems to have been friendless, and so totally estranged from his family that, when I spoke to Raymond Chandler on Wednesday, he was waiting to hear about the funeral arrangements – unaware that his brother had already been cremated.

‘Actually, there was no one there,’ said a member of staff at the Jersey City funeral home which organised the service.

‘We were instructed that no one would want to go. It was very sad. They still haven’t decided what to do with the ashes.’ [/EXPAND] [EXPAND Violence Can Affect Children’s Brains The Same Way As Soldiers At War – The Long Term Effects Of Abuse ]


The brains of children raised in violent families resemble the brains of soldiers exposed to combat, psychologists say.

They’re primed to perceive threat and anticipate pain, adaptations that may be helpful in abusive environments but produce long-term problems with stress and anxiety.

“For them to detect early cues that might signal danger is adaptive. It allows them to react, to try and avoid the danger,” said psychologist Eamon McCrory of University College London. However, “a very similar neural signature characterizes quite a few anxiety disorders.”

In a study published Dec. 5 in Current Biology, McCrory’s team used functional magnetic resonance imaging, or fMRI, to measure blood flows in the brains of 43 children exposed to violence at home as they looked at pictures of sad or angry faces.

Previous studies have shown that abuse affects kids’ brains; as they grow up, abused children become adults with high levels of aggression, anxiety, depression and other behavioral problems. But according to McCrory, the new study is the first to use fMRI to study the form of those changes.

“Understanding the neural mechanisms might give us clues as to how someone’s future might be shaped by their experience,” McCrory said.

His team compared fMRIs from abused children to those of 23 non-abused but demographically similar children from a control group. In the abused children, angry faces provoked distinct activation patterns in their anterior insula and right amygdala, parts of the brain involved in processing threat and pain. Similar patterns have been measured in soldiers who’ve seen combat.

Another recent study found that depression in people who were abused as children is especially difficult to treat. McCrory hopes future work will give a more complete picture of abuse’s neurological effects — and, perhaps, the effects of interventions that help children heal.

“Can children change in response to an act of intervention? To a better home environment? We’re quite optimistic that’s the case, that this is reversible. But that’s something we need to test,” McCrory said.

Citation: “Heightened neural reactivity to threat in child victims of family violence.” By Eamon J. McCrory, Stéphane A. De Brito, Catherine L. Sebastian, Andrea Mechelli, Geoffrey Bird, Phillip A. Kelly, and Essi Viding. Current Biology, Vol. 21 No. 23, Dec. 6, 2011.

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The High Price Of Child Molestation

The price the media pays for you to be molested by Michael Jackson:

[EXPAND Robert and Ronald Newt – Offered $200,000]

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Fox News:

No matter who testifies next in Michael Jackson’s alleged “prior acts” of sexual abuse mini-trial, the prosecution will have to deal with the fact that only one boy will show up to say he was molested many years ago by the pop star.

Now comes Robert Newt, 30, long a “Holy Grail” for The National Enquirer from its investigation into Jackson circa 1993.

Newt and his twin brother Ronald Newt Jr. (now deceased) were aspiring performers and spent two weeks as guests in the Jackson family home in Encino, Calif., around 1985. They were about 11 years old. This all occurred before Neverland was completed. Michael, Janet Jackson and LaToya Jackson were all there, as well as the Jackson parents.

Fast-forward to December 1993. The National Enquirer, desperate to get a scoop that Jackson has abused children, heard that the Newt kids once spent time with Jackson.

The tabloid offered the Newts’ father, Ronald Newt Sr., $200,000 to say that something happened between his kids and Jackson.

Newt, a San Francisco “character” and filmmaker whose past includes pimping and jail time, considered the offer.

A contract was drawn up, signed by Enquirer editor David Perel. Enquirer reporter Jim Mitteager, who is also now deceased, met with Newt and his son at the Marriott hotel in downtown San Francisco.

It seemed that all systems were go. But the Newts declined the offer at the last minute.

Ron Newt Sr., to whom $200,000 would have seemed like the world on a silver platter, wrote “No good sucker” where his signature was supposed to go. The reason: Nothing ever happened between Jackson and the Newt boys.

Indeed, no kids, no matter how much money was dangled by the tabloids, ever showed up to trade stories of Jackson malfeasance for big lumps of cash after the first scandal broke in 1993.

“Maybe there aren’t any other kids,” a current Enquirer editor conceded.

I met Bobby Newt yesterday near the office where he works as a mortgage broker in suburban Los Angeles.

Just as his dad promised me a few days earlier, he’s a good-looking kid. He’s half black and half Chinese.

Robert and his twin brother were likely very cute kids. They have the same features as other boys advertised as alleged Neverland “victims.” But all Bobby Newt remembers of his encounter with Jackson is good times.

And all he remembers about the man from The National Enquirer is that he wanted Bobby, then 18, to lie.

“He said, ‘Say he grabbed you on the butt. Say he grabbed you and touched you in any kind of way,'” Newt said. “He told us he took all these people down. Now he was going to take Michael down. That he would really destroy him. He told us he took all these other famous people down. All the major people that had scandals against them. He said, ‘We take these people down. That’s what we do.'”

Prior to Bobby’s meeting with Mitteager, Bobby’s father met with him and brought along an intermediary, San Francisco politician, businessman and fellow jailbird Charlie Walker.

Walker is infamous in San Francisco circles for being “hooked up” to anything interesting cooking on the West Coast.

“My dad said these dudes are offering this money to take Michael Jackson down. And the guy [Mitteager] said, ‘Say he touched you. All you have to do is say it. But you might have to take the stand. You might have to go on ‘Oprah’ in front of all these people. You have to be prepared for this thing. Just say it. And we’ll give you money,'” Newt said.

Two pieces of evidence confirm the Newts’ story. One is the actual contract proffered by the Enquirer and signed by Perel, who declined to comment for this story.

The contract, written as a letter, says it’s an agreement between the tabloid and the Newts for their exclusive story regarding “your relationship with and knowledge of Michael Jackson, and his sexuality, your knowledge of Michael Jackson’s sexual contact and attempts at sexual contact with Robert Newt and others.”

Mitteager expected them to sign, even though it was completely untrue and there was, in fact, no story.

He knew you were lying, I reminded Bobby Newt.

“Exactly! And he didn’t care! He was like, ‘Just say it and we’ll give you the money.’ And I was like, ‘He [Jackson] never touched me!” Newt said. “He [Mitteager] was really fishing and really digging. Think about it — most people you say it to, ‘We’ll give you this money,’ even [if it’s not true]. And they’d take it.”

Bobby Newt recalled more details of the 30-minute meeting with The National Enquirer’s reporter:

“He was trying to coach me — if I decided to take the money, what would happen. He said ‘You know, it’s going to be a huge scandal. You’ll probably have a lot of people not liking you. You’re going to be famous!’ But to me, you’d be ruined. And the truth is Michael didn’t do anything even close to trying to molest us.”

Ironically, the second piece of evidence also backs up the Newts’ story. Unbeknownst to them, they were taped by Mitteager.

I told you last week that Mitteager did more surreptitious taping than Richard Nixon. When he died, the tapes were left to Hollywood investigator Paul Barresi. His dozens of hours of tapes include a conversation between Mitteager, Ron Newt Sr. and Charlie Walker.

When I read some of the transcript back to Newt the other day, he was shocked.

“I said all that,” he observed, surprised to have his memory prodded some 12 years later.

Back in the mid-’80s, Ron Newt Sr. put his three sons together as a singing group much as Joseph Jackson did. He called them The Newtrons.

After much pushing, he got the attention of Joe Jackson, who agreed to manage the group. Joe Jackson got the Newtrons a showcase at the Roxy in West Hollywood.

Michael showed up and loved them. The result was a two-week stay for the boys at the Encino house on Hayvenhurst Ave., where they were supposed to work on their music.

“We would see Michael in passing. We didn’t see him, maybe, because he was working on an album. We saw him downstairs in the kitchen and we talked to him,” he said.

The Newtrons eventually got a record contract and recorded the Jackson 5 hit “I Want You Back” at Hayvenhurst. They also spent the night at Tito Jackson’s house. But nothing about what Bobby Newt hears now about himself or others makes sense.

“I don’t know what to believe. He had prime time with me and my brother in the guest room for two weeks,” he said. “And he didn’t try anything.”

As a footnote to all of this: In the small world of the Los Angeles music business, Bobby Newt recently worked with choreographer and alleged Jackson “victim” Wade Robson on tracks for his first album, a potential hit compendium of original R&B ballads.

Jackson’s former maid Blanca Francia implicated Robson in the case during Monday’s testimony. Robson is not testifying for the prosecution.

“Wade is straight as they come. He’s getting married. And nothing ever happened to him, either,” Newt said.

He shakes his head, thinking about those who have made claims against Jackson.

“You have to look at these people, go back and see when their relationship with Michael fractured. The calls stopped coming,” he said.

And Newt should know. After the adventure in 1985, the Newts never saw Jackson again. It didn’t bother them, Bobby says, as much as it might have others.

“They probably didn’t like it. And this is their way of getting back at him,” he said.



[EXPAND Alfonso Ribeiro – Offered $100,000 ]

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From Lisa Campbell’s, “King of Pop’s Darkest Hour”

Alfonso Ribeiro appeared on Geraldo, to say there was never a time when he felt uncomfortable with Michael Jackson. Ribeiro, at the age of twelve, had starred with Michael and the other Jacksons in a Pepsi commercial in 1984. Ribeiro felt like Michael was one of his buddies and felt the allegations were “preposterous”. He also disclosed that his own father was offered $100,000 by a tabloid to say anything negative about Michael Jackson.

Alfonso defending Michael over Wade Robson’s allegations, May 15th 2013

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39oW4mmFQvo&feature=youtu.be[/youtube] [/EXPAND]


[EXPAND Wade Robson – Offered Six Figures ]

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From Jermaine Jackson’s book, “You Are Not Alone”

As the media invited ex-employees to run with their wildest allegations, induced by large six figure payments and the racier the allegation, the bigger the cheque. I’ve since learned that Wade’s mother Joy Robson was approached by the National Enquirer and offered a six-figure sum if she changed her story ‘to say that Michael had molested your son.’ Thankfully, people like Joy had scruples and she, like every other parent and child who’d spent time at Neverland, would not corroborate Dr Chandler’s claims or anyone else’s.



[EXPAND Michael’s Cousin, Tim Whitehead – Offered $100k To Say Michael Was Gay ]

From Lisa Campbell’s, “King of Pop’s Darkest Hour”

The defense witnesses included Tim Whitehead, Michael’s cousin who is very close to Michael, who told the jury he had been offered $100,000 to say that Michael is gay. He refused and said he has never seen any behavior that could be construed as child abuse.



[EXPAND Daniel Kapon – Paid $500k By The News Of The World ]

A lawsuit filed by a young man who alleged he was molested as a boy by Michael Jackson — and who also claimed he fathered the singer’s two oldest children and saw him dine with Fidel Castro — was dismissed today by a judge.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Rolf M. Treu granted a motion by Jackson’s lawyer, Thomas C. Mundell, to throw out the case after the 22-year- old plaintiff, {tag Daniel Kapon}, failed to show up for the scheduled start of today’s trial.

“I think the judge realized how crazy the lawsuit was,” Mundell said outside the courtroom.

Kapon never visited Jackson’s Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County as he claimed, and the entertainer did not know him, the lawyer said.

Kapon’s lawsuit alleged Jackson “repeatedly and forcefully sexually molested” him starting in 1987, when he was 2, and lasting until he was 14.

The case was originally filed in Orange County, but a judge transferred it to Los Angeles County in March 2006 at the request of Jackson’s lawyers.

In court papers filed Dec. 17, Mundell said Kapon made a series of unusual statements during his Dec. 11 deposition that undermined the validity of his case.

Kapon claimed his mother married Jackson multiple times, and testified that the ceremonies were attended by Elizabeth Taylor, Celine Dion, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Beyonce Knowles and Diana Ross, according to Mundell’s court papers.

He said Kapon testified that his mother “was in Michael Jackson’s ‘Thriller’ music video. She helped Michael with a lot of his material, his songs, his music videos. Michael Jackson was madly in love with my mom.”

Kapon also claimed he fathered Jackson’s two oldest children, Paris and Prince Michael, by masturbating into a jar so his semen could be used to impregnate Jackson’s ex-wife Deborah Rowe, according to his deposition.

Jackson specifically wanted Kapon to be the father of the two children, Kapon testified.

“He was obsessed with geniuses and blood lines and he told me that he wanted to continue my blood line, which he believed to be related to the Rothschilds,” Kapon testified.

Jackson wanted Kapon to have sexual intercourse with Rowe, but “it did not work out,” he testified.

Kapon also testified that one of Jackson’s other lawyers, Marshall L. Brubacher, was conspiring with disgraced private investigator Anthony Pellicano and “other associates of Michael Jackson” to “kidnap me and make my life a living hell.”

According to additional Kapon deposition testimony, he said he saw Jackson dining with Castro in New York City, Mundell’s court papers state.

“These are not good-faith deposition answers,” Mundell wrote. “They are the ravings of an unbalanced celebrity stalker.”

Treu granted a motion by Barry Fischer, Kapon’s most recent attorney, to withdraw his representation Jan. 10 after his client stopped communicating with him in late November.

Kapon’s mother stated he was homeless and living in a car, Fischer said in his court papers.

“I do not know if he is ill, dead or simply refusing to respond,” Fischer wrote.

The lawyer filed a “missing persons report” with Los Angeles police on Jan. 3, a copy of which was attached to his motion.

In December 2006, Treu threw out Kapon’s allegations of childhood sexual molestation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, plagiarism, conversion, breach of contract, accounting, fraud, negligence, civil conspiracy and unfair business practices.

However, Treu ruled then that case could to trial on allegations of battery, willful misconduct, assault and false imprisonment, along with a sexual battery cause of action that Brubacher did not move to dismiss.

Kapon’s court papers alleged the false imprisonment occurred when Jackson confined him for “multiple periods” from 1987 to late 1991 at Neverland Ranch, as well as homes in Encino and Woodland Hills.

Kapon also claimed he was occasionally confined inside a car, against his will, by Jackson; that the singer stuck his tongue down Kapon’s throat, masturbated him and anally penetrated him by force; and that Jackson gave him drugs and alcohol and subjected him to unnecessary cosmetic surgery, as well as burning, torturing and beating him.

Along with the abuse claims, Kapon alleged Jackson misappropriated his song ideas, lyrics and melodies during the time in which the pop star was recording”Bad,” released in 1987, “Dangerous,” released in 1991, “HIStory, released in 1995, and “Blood on the Dance Floor,” released in 1997.

Treu previously dismissed Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Sony Music Holding Inc. as defendants. Kapon alleged they shared responsibility with Jackson for stealing his music ideas and for breaching a contract.

– Daily Breeze

Here is the original story that The News Of The World spent $500,000 obtaining:

Edition 3GXD

SUN 30 MAY 2004, Page 19

Jacko filmed as he abused me; News Of the World investigates

He’d be laughing demonically while this was happening

New youngster claims he was drugged and used for ‘sadistic pleasure’ from age of three

A SECOND youngster has accused Michael Jackson of sex abuse, alleging the singer FILMED him as he carried out depraved acts. Daniel Kapon also claims Jacko, 45, is a sadist who revelled in inflicting pain.

The teenager, now 18, sets out a catalogue of sickening abuse that started from the age of THREE.

And he makes the detailed accusations in a harrowing 28 minute and 50 second video as his case is studied by Los Angeles police. Daniel said he was never taken to Jacko’s bedroom to be abused-but to a chilling bare room without an ounce of comfort.


He recalled: “I wouldn’t be in his bedroom. He’d do the sadistic acts, sometimes taping it, in a darkly lit room. He’d just be getting his kicks. The room had bare walls and had two camera lights and a chair which he’d make me sit in. There might have been a bed too. It was dark. I recall a director-type, an older guy with white hair. He would be holding the video camera and directing, telling Jackson what to do and sometimes they’d collaborate.”

Daniel also alleged Jackson:

DRUGGED him in order to carry out depraved acts.

SWITCHED personality the second he was in private, changing from a charming companion to a “demon”.

And ABUSED him for years at the star’s two palatial homes, leaving him in emotional turmoil.

The video recording Daniel’s claims begins with his chilling words:

“I was abused by Michael Jackson.”

The singer already faces trial, possibly in September, accused of abusing cancer sufferer Gavin Arvizo when the lad was 12. Jacko, who denies all charges, could be jailed for 74 years on nine charges. Second accuser Daniel was clearly emotional on the video as he claimed he was filmed being forced to take part in “grotesque acts”. He added: “It seemed as if he was deriving pleasure from my pain.” Then he claimed Jackson would “be laughing demonically while this was happening.”

The youngster, currently in a safe house in Los Angeles, and now represented by highly respected lawyer Gloria Allred, said that there was nothing he could do to fight back.

He added: “I had no control over my body but I was still conscious. They drugged me. I was given a goblet of red wine. I suspect it had something in it.” And he described the sinister change in Jackson’s personality once he was in private. One minute they might be walking through grounds of the star’s Neverland Ranch in California.

Once inside and out of sight of others, Jackson would turn off the charm like a tap. Daniel said: “In public, Jackson was charming, but when I was alone with him he was a freak. His whole demeanour changed. You have to have a totally whacked-out demeanour to even consider doing the things he’s done to me. He was acting demonic, he was acting crazed. Very sadistic.”

At this point, Daniel breaks down and asks to stop filming. When it resumes, his first words are: “He was verbally abusive, cursing, very crazed for power.”

Daniel went on to describe Jackson’s naked body.

He said: “I remember that his whole body was the same colour, very white, very pale.”

The youngster’s mother Suzanne says her son was introduced to Jackson by her estranged husband Danny.

Before long, the child became a regular visitor to Jackson’s home in Encino and was also treated to a special birthday party at Neverland.

Daniel said he suffered abuse ordeals at both places.

He added: “I can remember things as far back as when I was three. I have a photographic memory. I vaguely remember first meeting Jackson-but the things that stick out in my mind are the sexual acts that occurred with him.”


“And I remember walking with Jackson on the trail at Neverland and holding his hand and talking to him. Just chit chat. Most of what I remember at around the age of 12 and 13 is just being alone with him and that other guy and all the sexual acts.”

Mum Suzanne, who did not have custody of Daniel, said she had noticed bite marks on intimate parts of his body.

Asked if he has any pleasant memories of the star, Daniel spits:

“Pleasant memories with Jackson? Only outside Neverland riding the rides.”

Suzanne said she discovered her son knew Jacko shortly before his fourth birthday-when one of the star’s songs came on the car radio.

She said: “My son was very agitated and started kicking my radio so that the knob came off. He told me, ‘I don’t like that’.

“I said, ‘What? It’s Michael Jackson’.

He said, ‘I don’t like him’.

I said, ‘You’re talking like you know him’.

He said, ‘I do’ and started crying. I just flipped out.”

LA District Attorney Tom Sneddon has quizzed Daniel and passed a file to cops.

As ridiculous as this story is what makes it even more ridiculous is that The News Of The World printed this story on May 30th, 2 days after the LAPD had closed their investigation into Daniel Kapon’s allegations and stated on the record that they had “concluded there was no evidence that any crime occurred.” So they printed and paid for this story when it had already been concluded that he was lying.


[EXPAND Aaron Carter – Offered Six Figures ]

Aaron says that after Leaving Neverland aired he struggled to believe there was no financial motive behind Wade and Safechuck’s claims based on how the media had been offering him money.

“You don’t think for the interviews they’re doing that they’re not getting paid? Because I’ve been offered six figures already for an interview and I’ve turned them all down. I told them to go fuck themselves.”

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