Michael Jackson Was a Pescatarian
fish n. pl.
I remember one time me and one of the other fellas on tour went out looking for women and when we got back Mike asked what we’d done for the evening. The guy I was with said: “We went fishing.” Fishing? It took him a minute to catch on what the dude was trying to say but when he finally understood we laughed and it became our running joke that he’d ask us every time we saw him. “So boys, did you go fishin’ today?”
Interview with the Michael and the Jacksons, 19th February 1979,
Q: What do you like most, things you like?
MJ: I like fish. (brothers laugh)
“My Friend Michael,” by Frank Cascio, 1999 time period
Every so often, fans were allowed to visit Michael in his hotel room. We called the girls fish – because there were lots of fish in the sea – and we called the most aggressive ones barracudas. We’d fight over them, joking about which girl was for him and who was for me. I’d say, “Let’s be realistic, you’re just the decoy.”
That’s why on the Invincible album notes when he thanked me he wrote, “Stop fishing.” Over the years, Michael grew close to some fans and occasionally had casual girlfriends, but he was a married man, so nothing untoward happened.
Liner Notes on Invincible Album For Frank Cascio, 2001
FRANK… thank you for all of your help, love and support… you are my true friend and family (stop fishing). I love you, Michael Jackson.
An older woman approaches the table to have her CD signed and MJ says “hi” to her than as she leaves he says, “elderly fish.”
(girl wearing a crop top and wearing a navel ring approaches Michael, Michael gestures and asks to bring her closer, he studies her belly button)
MJ: How does that work? Does it hurt?
After Michael gives the girl a hug, the man wearing grey next to Michael says: Do I see something sticking out?
MJ: You naaasty!
The girl the BG were talking about in the tight white top approaches the table to have her CD signed and the security guard grins at MJ, raises his eyebrows at him and says “I’ll say no more.”
The girl says “Hi” then after she’s had her CD signed she leaves and MJ starts laughing and one of the security guards says “You dirty dog!”
Security Guard 1: “Got a *something* a little while away”
Security Guard 2: “The one with the white top, oh yeah *inaudible*.”
Michael: “Is she hot?”
Guy having his CD signed by MJ swivels his head to look around for the same girl
Security Guard 1: “Oh yeah, she looks amazing.”
Fans follow the limo and a female fan with large breasts presses up against the glass of the limo as it leaves
MJ: “There’s some GOOD fish!”
MJ: (looking back at the crowd) “There’s some gooooood fish back there! Ooh! That one right there!”
Karen Faye: (laughing) “Oh look at that one right there! Look at her! Look!”
MJ: “Look at her titties! (laughing) Her titties are going… (makes bouncing motion)”
MJ: (watching people still following the limo) “Tell the police to be gentle with those girls, do not be mean – (points at girl) I like that one right there.”
Cousin: “Me too.”
ABC: Was Michael Jackson gay?
KF: Absolutely not.
ABC: I mean, you say that with conviction
KF: He would always, like, wherever we were, he would always kind of (mimicking him, slyly eyes around herself) – he called it fishing. He looked around for all the hot girls. And he’d – “Turkle, Turkle, that ones really hot. Ooh, look how -ugh- look how her hair just swirls!”
ABC: So you don’t think that was an act?
Bush: (shaking head) No.
KF: What? That he was doing it for me?
KF: No (shaking head) no, absolutely not.
ABC: Did he ever comment on young men?
KF & Bush: No, no.
ABC: So you don’t think he was just in hiding by his sexuality?
KF: No (all shake heads)
He said that when they were in London and a hot woman would pass by them Michael would use some Armenian words to talk about the woman with Gokor so that if his children were near him they couldn’t understand what they were talking about. He would say “lavna che Gokor,” which in English means “isn’t she hot Gokor” or he would call those hot women “pretty fish.” They spoke about the fact that Michael had a woman he loved very much and had been near him for many years. It wasn’t a secret but her identity was kept a secret
“Michael Jackson: The Whole Truth,” by Dieter Wiesner,
“Very well, I remember two young Japanese girls who followed the news so they could they be anywhere that he was. I learned later on that it was because they had rich ass parents who funded this fun wherever we went.. They were there were at the airport or at the hotel, smiling, holding up banners and calling out, “Michael, Michael…” They already knew our tour inventory, and Michael was always happy about it, he lovingly called them “The Fishies ” in the belief that all Japanese people ate mostly fish. Once they were sitting outside on the hotel wall directly under the windows of Michael’s suite, singing his songs throughout the evening and kept candles burning in their hands. And again and again sounded their cries of “Michael, Michael…” In the meantime however, it was already 4 clock in the morning, and we were pretty tired and stressed. Michael asked me to ask politely if they could gradually come to a rest. When I then saw them, I almost laughed. They were all ready tired, and could not cry out anymore, one chirped only a faint, “Michael, Michael…” exhausted. Well, she probably slept at the same time as their idol.”
Back then, Michael was extremely outgoing, and a flirt too, probably from always being around older musicians. We’d pass a pretty girl, and my brother would remark, “Boy, did you see the pair of cakes on her!” Or he’d steal peeks under dresses, then ask me with a giggle, “Guess what color panties she has on?”
“Michael!” I was hardly shocked, we’d come to expect that kind of thing from him.
“Don’t believe the nonsense about Michael being gay and stuff. When there were girls around he’d talk about them to the guys and run around pinching their asses and then run away. He was a real funky street dude, know what I mean?”
Pete Bennett, Promoter, 1974/5
“He had an eye for pretty girls. Often when I would be in his company, Michael would point a girl out and admire her looks or figure.”
Tim Whitehead 80s,
“He’s not gay; I really feel certain of that.” said his first cousin Tim whitehead, who has toured with Michael as a roadie, ” Many times a good-looking girl would walk by and Mike would whisper, ‘ Hey, what do you think of her? She’s somethin else, isn’t she?”
Dr Hoefflin, 1984
“We would also spend time together over the years going through books and magazines. Michael would always look at magazines of pretty girls, never boys.
Dr Hoefflin, 63, said: “Michael loved beautiful women.
“After Thriller came out he asked me to take him to the Playboy mansion to see the stunning girls.
“I was friends with Hugh Heffner, made those arrangements and was with him when he described how beautiful and desirable all the women were.
“All the time I was ever with him – whether it was on tour or off tour – he would always comment to me and others about pretty girls he would see.”
Jermaine Jackson, “You Are Not Alone”, During the Victory Tour, Kansas City, July 1984
We rode together as brothers en route to stadiums, but didn’t always share the same vehicle at others times because the Jehovah Witness elders took up two seats alongside Michael. Often, there was also Frank Dileo and photographer Harrison Funk. Growing entourages meant that it wasn’t always possible to travel together. But the following story was a funny memory of Michael’s that Harrison – whose friendship and less was trusted to roam freely with him for many years – has assisted with.
Their van had stopped at a set of traffic lights in Kansas City when Michael spotted three hookers on the street corner, with one wearing sequined hot pants. Michael’s eye couldn’t help but wander. “Oh my goodness, hurt me!” he said playfully – Jackson speak for, “Oh wow, she’s looking hot.” Then, just as the lights were about to change, he stuck his gloved hand out of the window and waved.
Three hookers did a double take, wondering if that was just… maybe… it can’t be… Michael Jackson? Just to make sure that they were certain, Michael opened the van door a little and, looking back as the van began to move away, he showed his face, chuckled and then slammed the door tight. He twisted around in his seat to watch three hookers jumping up and down in excitement. I don’t know what the two Jehovah Witnesses made of this interaction but it made Michael’s day and made one thing clear: he wasn’t always going to be squeaky clean.
When we were riding around in a car in Berlin, Michael would look at the women in miniskirts and high heels… ”Look at her hips!” and “Look at her ass!” Michael would say.
However, when we passed the girl in question he realized she was a 50 year old woman.
It is needless to say that Michael and I had a good laugh about that. It goes without saying that Michael is pro ass?
WAMO Pittsburg Radio Station, January 16 1998
“You know something? Mike done changed after he started gettin’ some…” Then he went into a story of how he met MJ once during the Victory Tour in D.C. and he was shy and timid. Then he met him just recently at a gathering with Teddy Riley or someone and MJ was completely different. Open, funny, not shy and most of all checking out the women with Teddy and this DJ and some more guys. Someone asked him what he found most attractive in a lady and he said light eyes and long legs and then pointed out some chick that fit that description and all the guys agreed she was “da bomb.” In the words of this DJ, “Mike is a true brother who has gotten a bad rap and as long as he was in radio he would support the brother.”
‘We’d go out for dinner or a coffee and he would notice women walking past and say, ‘She’s so cute, she’s got a nice tush,’ but then he would be very apologetic.
Howard: “We’re here with Rabbi Shmuley. Is Michael gay?”
Rabbi: “Michael is firmly heterosexual.”
Howard: “How do you know?”
Rabbi: “Because he’s always saying to me that there are beautiful woman.”
Schmuley Tapes, 2000/1
SB: If a woman walks round with all her cleavage showing…
MJ:Frank loves it.
(Michael gestured to Frank Cascio, who was sitting right next to us. We all laughed.)
MJ: Of course you want to look.
However, Carter insisted that he thought Jackson liked women.
“He’ll see a girl and comment on her,” Carter said, “or want to touch her [bottom]. He likes girls.”
MJ’s Bodyguards, 2007-2009
MJ admired the way women styled their hair and the way they dressed. He commented about different women just walking by. He would ask us what did we think about certain women, he liked talking.